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post #21 of 27 Old 05-31-2012, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dbarabians View Post
Bearkiller, by insisting that the opinions of others do not count because they do not fit into your negative beliefs about soceity is called "disqualifying the positive" by therapist like myself. By doing this you assume negative emotions that do not reflect the way things really are.
People do this to control a healthy debate and and use negative labesl to intimidate the others.
You are entitled to your opinion and so are we. Shalom

The difference is that you state them (opinions) like they're fact. When they are unprovable opinions. And my beliefs are the negative ones? Please, I'm not sure why you think you're the only authority on all things society. It comes off as quite pretensious. I find it disgusting that an alledged therapist who works with mentally ill people all of the time would tell a 20 year old girl to not take responsibility for her own defense. Not everyone lives their lives within a couple minutes from a cop and it is up to each individual to provide their own safety. BTW, saying something like "any law enforcement agency will tell you that being alert and aware of your surroundings is your best defense" implies that you can not be aware of your surroundings if you have a gun. The 2 are not mutually exclusive....

This, too, shall pass........
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post #22 of 27 Old 05-31-2012, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearkiller View Post
Again, you have NO proof of that unless they were armed. Which doesn't appear to be the case. You can inject all of the opinion that you want but there have been plenty of case where shooters were stopped by armed citizens. They are all over the place, if you look.

The people in THIS case had no chance at all. Armed or not, they had no chance at all. Being armed, would have made no differnce, as was the case in the four cops muredered in the cafe. That is my only point; that carrying a weapon is not a ticket to safety.
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Bearkiller, liberal and pro gun are also not mutually exclusive, I am proof.
Tiny you are correct that carrying a gun is not a guarantee, especially with the mentally ill BUT I believe in many other instances out can be.
To the OP, if you choose to own and arm yourself with a gun, please become educated and confident with its use.
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post #24 of 27 Old 05-31-2012, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Lee View Post
In the UK nobody carries a gun. You can probably count the number of shootings in the whole country on one hand in a year, how's that for statistics?
But I can appreciate that as the streets are already awash with guns there's a need to protect yourself. If I genuinely felt fear, there'd be nothing could stop me moving somewhere safe.
Well UK is different, no one has a gun, even cops dont. This is the US and things are different here. And well you can carry a pistol or have a cop on the phone and have them be 10 min away and a guy who wants to kill you... what is your choice?

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I'd find other transport arrangements, and if that's not possible and you really feel that unsafe - change schools.

I don't think it's safe for you to be walking alone at night with all this crime going on right in that area.

I also think it's a terrible idea to get in between people pointing guns at each other. You are assuming that they care about you, when in fact they probably don't. They could shoot you and still kill their intended victim.
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post #26 of 27 Old 06-01-2012, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VT Trail Trotters View Post
Well UK is different, no one has a gun, even cops dont. This is the US and things are different here. And well you can carry a pistol or have a cop on the phone and have them be 10 min away and a guy who wants to kill you... what is your choice?
I said I can understand that if there are guns already on the streets you need to protect yourself. I would say carrying a gun is your own choice, I'm just pointing out that the more guns that are out there the more people get shot. The argument that if everyone has a gun nobody will shoot just doesn't stand.

And like I said I wouldn't live somewhere i felt the need to carry a gun. Just a personal choice.
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post #27 of 27 Old 06-02-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by VT Trail Trotters View Post
Well UK is different, no one has a gun, even cops dont.
Just to clarify while most officers in the UK do not carry firearms, there are armed units that can be called upon in every district. I've also seen armed officers with sub machine guns around certain Government buildings in England. They do exist for good reason but the average patrol officer isn't carrying.. :)
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