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        08-20-2012, 06:27 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
    Honestly my philosophy is you get what you put into it. If you have a good quality horse (maybe its grade because one registry just doesnt except a certain breed or whatever) whether its a freebee or its $60,000 the ammount of training and time you put into is is hopefully what your going to get....theres diamonds n duds in every type. Not every $60,000 horse is going to become a star performer....maybe they were bred for it....doesnt mean theyll produce results.

    Not every racehorse will make it to the kentucky derby...maybe some grade horse will outshine a $30,000 plus horse at a show....


    But you gotta put the training into it. You can't take a horse into a WP class at world thinking he's going to win just because he was bred for it. You gotta get him the training and you gotta get yourself the training for it.

    Im not saying every single rider at world had a top trainer. But alot of em did. My friend has never once had a lesson in her life, but she was practically born on a horse, grew up on her ranch, her parents had the time, money, experience to get her top in high school nationals. She put in the time and effor to train her horse, and she's honestly one of the best riders I've seen. (plus the little turd just has a buttton of natural talent haha)

    What im trying to get at...n maybe all of what I jsut said is contradictory....but what im TRYING to say is you get what you put into it....maybe you can get to the top of you/your horses limits with just yoursleves....maybe you wont....itll probably take longer, and itd be easier if you don't know what all you need to teach to have a trainer
         
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        08-20-2012, 06:30 PM
      #12
    Trained
    So the fact that my not $500 horse chases off other horses in his field away from me because he is jealous means that we don't have a relationship??
    I know that horse inside and out, and he knows me too. I know what he's going to do 3 steps before he does and he knows how to tell me to *@$% off, or where he's itchy, or that he would like his hay dunking bucket cleaned out because it's simply too filled with hay for him to possibly be expected to dunk his hay into, etc..

    And just because I didn't pay $500 for him, and I sure as heck don't have him insured for $500 and I sure as heck wouldn't ever sell him for $500, doesn't make me any less of a horsewoman. And also because I pay $150 for a 45 minute lesson, doesn't make me any snobbier than you. I have to cut back on lessons at that rate, and so I video them and take notes and watch other people and take the time to really LEARN from each and every one of my precious lessons. I work 2 jobs, am in school f/t doing a second degree and ride two horses so that I can achieve my goals and get my lessons and afford stuff that I need to be competitive at national and international levels of sport.

    The reality is that competing is NOT cheap, or easy and we are all out there busting our butts regardless of how much anyone has spent on anything. To judge people for having a nice horse is so petty. I used to compete and win championships on a QHx at dressage because I rode the most accurate test I could, not because I had anywhere close to the nicest horse.
         
        08-20-2012, 07:15 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Why do I have a feeling you're referring to me? ...

    Yes I ride at a top barn, I say it's a top barn because we have turned out several GP level jumpers in recent years and we have an active member of the Canadian Equestrian Team with us, not to mention more wins in our region than any other barn + decent showings in Wellington every year. The trainers I have are preparing all of us who ride there for whatever goals we have down the road. We have pleasure riders and we have A circuit riders, even a couple western riders! :)

    My goal is to show across Canada, not international grand prix, but across Canada. I'm doing everything I can to achieve that. I pay around $600 a month for lessons alone, not including leases which cost a ton. One of the horses I used to lease cost more than I made in TWO years! If you want to make it to the upper levels of show jumping you need a decent mount. The training involved with these horses alone makes them worth five plus figures easily. I understand what you're saying but love and heart can only go so far. :(

    I don't look down on you for having a $500 horse. You've been riding a lot longer than I have been, you may even be a better rider than me for all I know. I also realize not everyone can afford to have lessons. My father doesn't pay my bills, I work very hard for every dime that I have to train in hopes of making it some day. I dream of being able to own a horse 1/2 as good as some that I have ridden but like most people I can't throw down 50k on one. Most of the riders at my barn come from rich families where throwing down $900 on a pair of boots is a common occurance. That sort of thing sickens me, but it is what it is. Some people just lucked out better in life.

    We're not all snobby riders even though I'm sure I come across as one. It's just we have very different goals in mind. If I wanted to ride for pleasure with no ambitions of competing at a serious level, I wouldn't spend literally every last dollar I have on my riding. I don't do this for hopes of making riches from riding, I do this because I love riding more than ANYTHING else in the world. If you offered me $1,000,000 but I would never be able to ride again, I would turn it down in a second. At the end of the day, I do this for me...
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        08-20-2012, 07:22 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jinxremoving    
    We're not all snobby riders even though I'm sure I come across as one. It's just we have very different goals in mind. If I wanted to ride for pleasure with no ambitions of competing at a serious level, I wouldn't spend literally every last dollar I have on my riding. I don't do this for hopes of making riches from riding, I do this because I love riding more than ANYTHING else in the world. If you offered me $1,000,000 but I would never be able to ride again, I would turn it down in a second. At the end of the day, I do this for me...
    THIS I can absolutely get behind!

    Those girls way back in grade 9 that I was referring to in my post, didn't care about horses. They showed because their parents wanted them to and didn't spend one more minute than absolutely necessary with those horses, and thought I was 'beneath them' for goofing around on an unregistered horse.

    Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread or speak for the OP, just wanted to add my 2 cents!
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        08-20-2012, 07:37 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Anyone who competes & wins, and I care how much your horse costs or what you paid for lessons, etc., you have to work your butt off to be at the top of the heap. Lessons help, having a quality horse helps, but if you are not willing to put the time & effort into your riding, there will be no blue ribbons, no championships, no matter much money you spend. Bottom line, it's all work and practise.
         
        08-20-2012, 07:47 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Okay some people got me wrong.. and Failbhe you are fine lol:) I understand that my horse ISNT going to make it to the top.. and Speedracer.. he is back yard bred OR grade:) he is registered lol:) maybe backyard:/ but not grade:) I understand completely.. but people turning down horses that don't cost as much.. that's what gets me.. remember my thread about the expensive horse.. 16 million dollars and he didnt win one race.. Im sure he would beat sunny. But money doesnt necessarily mean your going to have a quality horse.. Most of the time yes.. but it doesnt make them any better then you or I.
         
        08-20-2012, 07:48 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    And JINX.. not reffering to you at all:) just someone I used to know..:)
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        08-20-2012, 07:54 PM
      #18
    Trained
    No, the value or worth of things doesn't neccessarily make them better. Is a wealthy person better than a barely make ends meet working person? No. Quit worrying about high end priced horses and top riders, ride your horse to the best of your ability and enjoy what you have.
         
        08-20-2012, 08:27 PM
      #19
    Showing
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    Don't judge a horse by its price tag.. and DON'T judge a ride by how many lessons he/she has had, but by the heart and willingness the horse and rider have..
    Sorry, but yes, I WILL judge a $15,000 horse against a $500 horse, and your $500 horse simply can not do everything a $15,000 horse can. You may love him more than a horse with a big price tag, and that's fine, but the fact of the matter is that a competitive horse with training costs money.

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    Horses aren't just a paycheck to me. My 500$ horse can do just as much as your 40 thousand$ horse can.. It may take longer.. and maybe he wont be able to do it.. but they only reason we couldnt make it happen would be because he DOESNT enjoy it.
    No. Most $500 horses, plain and simple, can not jump Grand Prix courses or float around the hunter ring with effortless swinging gaits. You want the latter, you're going to have to pay for it.

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    MY 1500 horse your 500 horse.. and someones 500000 are all the same.. just progressing at different rates..
    How can you say they're the same? There's a huge difference: One is better through training, breeding, conformation, etc., which is why one is $500 and one is $50,000! There's a reason for the extra zeros tacked on. My $850 Paso Fino gelding, while dear to me (and now worth quite a bit more because of training and bombproofing over the past 20 years), will simply never be of the same caliber as horses winning titles at championship shows. Do I love him any less? No! But he's simply not monetarily worth as much as a $50,000 horse, and therefore cannot perform on the same level as these horses.
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        08-20-2012, 09:16 PM
      #20
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by barrelbeginner    
    My 500$ horse can do just as much as your 40 thousand$ horse can.. It may take longer.. and maybe he wont be able to do it.. but they only reason we couldnt make it happen would be because he DOESNT enjoy it.
    Unfortunately it's very far from the reality whether you like it or not.

    I have 2 cheap horses (qh and paint). I take lessons with the best dressage instructor I could find in my area. Did they improve? Tremendously (and I'm sure now cost much more then when I got them). BUT(!) I can assure you they can NOT progress any higher than certain (rather low) level. Doesn't matter if they enjoy it or not (my qh does BTW) or how hard I try or good my trainer is. Simply because they are not bred for the discipline, and don't have physical ability to go to the top.

    Expensive horse usually has a very good reason WHY it's so expensive: either breeding, or both - breeding and training.
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