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    06-11-2012, 08:57 AM
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I'll second the melatonin. Though my Dr. Suggests that you don't take it on a long term basis because it can permanently decrease your body's ability to make it naturally and you will be setting yourself up to need it for life. If I'm going through a bout (I deal with it pretty bad and have since I was a teen, sometimes I average about 45 minutes of sleep a night for weeks at a time) I will take melatonin a few hours before I plan to sleep and never for more than 2 weeks at a time. It generally helps me get back into a sleep pattern where I can get 5 or 6 hours at one time.

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Id suggest getting out of bed in the morning and getting a job. Then you'll be tired at night.
Though that may sound harsh, it could very well be true. The lifestyle changes and slowing down of daily activities very well could be the root of the problem.

That being said, hard work isn't always the answer for insomnia. I deal with insomnia myself, I am up at 4 am every day and do all the day to day farm work by myself (maintaining 40+ acres, 2 arenas, 2 barns, 11 horses of my own, always at least 3 outside horses to ride, riding lessons trudging through arena sand for hours at a stretch, I am a mom of an extremely active 7 year old and wife that does all of the house maintenance, yard work, etc.) There are many days that I am in the barn until midnight to get client horses rode because I've spent my day cleaning stalls, working arenas, spreading manure, baling hay, fixing fence, the list goes on. Even on those days, I still find it hard to sleep sometimes even though I am exhausted. I wish hard work would make me sleep, my body gets tired but unfortunately even 18 hour days don't stop it for me.
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    06-11-2012, 10:34 AM
  #12
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Sometimes a job doesn't do it, I work all the time and still don't sleep.
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    06-11-2012, 11:03 AM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters    
I'll second the melatonin. Though my Dr. Suggests that you don't take it on a long term basis because it can permanently decrease your body's ability to make it naturally and you will be setting yourself up to need it for life. If I'm going through a bout (I deal with it pretty bad and have since I was a teen, sometimes I average about 45 minutes of sleep a night for weeks at a time) I will take melatonin a few hours before I plan to sleep and never for more than 2 weeks at a time. It generally helps me get back into a sleep pattern where I can get 5 or 6 hours at one time.



Though that may sound harsh, it could very well be true. The lifestyle changes and slowing down of daily activities very well could be the root of the problem.

That being said, hard work isn't always the answer for insomnia. I deal with insomnia myself, I am up at 4 am every day and do all the day to day farm work by myself (maintaining 40+ acres, 2 arenas, 2 barns, 11 horses of my own, always at least 3 outside horses to ride, riding lessons trudging through arena sand for hours at a stretch, I am a mom of an extremely active 7 year old and wife that does all of the house maintenance, yard work, etc.) There are many days that I am in the barn until midnight to get client horses rode because I've spent my day cleaning stalls, working arenas, spreading manure, baling hay, fixing fence, the list goes on. Even on those days, I still find it hard to sleep sometimes even though I am exhausted. I wish hard work would make me sleep, my body gets tired but unfortunately even 18 hour days don't stop it for me.
sometimes the truth can hurt, and believe me I in no way was being mean. But some of what the poster said just stood out at me, If OP had posted a workday like MHfoundation, I would suspect an emotional, guilt, medical or chemical problem.

But OP stated they lay in bed all morning, don't have a job, don't exercise any more. Etc. Id say try the simple obvious stuff first before seeking pills. It may be a chicken and the egg things, are they all tied together ? Is depression leading to the sedentary lifestyle which causes the insomnia which makes you sluggish which causes depression and repeat ?

Set your alarm clock, get up at 6 am no matter if you slept or not, Do something strenuous for an hour bike ride, run, hobble on crutches, whatever you can do that makes you sweat. Now take a shower get dressed and get out of the house, look for a job, go to a park, do something with each and every day. Once the day is gone you will never get it back.
     
    06-11-2012, 11:38 AM
  #14
Weanling
I appreciate all of the help, ladies and gents. Joe, though my sleeping is worse now, even when I had a job, went to school, and played intensive club sports (hurling, if you are interested, as well as bouldering on my off time), I slept terrible. Slept on a memory foam bed in a plush, climate controlled high rise apartment... with a boyfriend I hated.

Now, that relationship is over, and for reasons I do not care to share on the internet, I am living across the country, and my situation, which I also do not care to go in depth about, does not currently allow for a job or much exercise. I only get out in the early morning/late night so as to avoid neighbours. The weather change (rainy but dry to constantly thundering humid rainforest) also has me a bit off kilter.

Now, I understand a good hard day's work and even a nice stroll through the park will help me sleep better hypothetically, but this is not an option at this very moment. I eat healthy and light, stay hydrated, and keep my hygiene up, so these factors do no contribute as far as I am concerned.

Regarding morning schedule: I find myself trying to sleep until 7 or 8 am when I usually pass out or get up and read a book, and if I pass out I sleep until 3. If not, who knows when/if I sleep that day.

All of this being said, I asked for natural methods to help me sleep, not
Pills, as I hate being drugged up. I am by no means depressed, and only slightly unfit since my lack of exercise as of late.

Apologies if this sounded ranty; I have a grand 3 hours under my eyelids today.

Thanks again everyone!
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    06-11-2012, 12:05 PM
  #15
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Another + 1 for Melatonin.
I had used it on occasion before, but having a preemie with health complications that needs round the clock care can really screw up any semblence of a sleep schedule.
Once he was better, it helped me re-establish something resembling a sleep pattern.
Hard work on my farm, similar to like MHFQ's schedule kicks my butt now and I have to be careful not to sit too long during the middle of the day (like a long business call or something) or I will nod off.
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    06-11-2012, 12:20 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
sometimes the truth can hurt, and believe me I in no way was being mean.
Your first post you were,

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Id suggest getting out of bed in the morning and getting a job. Then you'll be tired at night.
is about as helpful as telling a depressed person to snap out of it. This would be particularly mean if someone has been genuinely looking for work and not finding anything.

The last post, that actually explains your thoughts some
     
    06-11-2012, 12:29 PM
  #17
Showing
I'd try a chamomile tea about an hour before you get to bed.
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    06-11-2012, 12:38 PM
  #18
Weanling
Great, Val. Thanks! It is decaf I assume?

Also worth noting I drink about 1/2c of coffee per day, and very rarely have an organic low sugar root beer, but otherwise no soda, alcohol, or excessive caffiene intake. I eat a fair bit of turkey - thought it was supposed to make you sleepy? ;) - do some yoga stretches as often as I feel I need it...

Could be any number of things keeping me awake but at the moment the variable that needs to change is me, as the others are out of the question.

List of viable options:
Melatonin
Chamomile tea 1 hour before bed
Nightly routine

Thanks all!
     
    06-11-2012, 01:13 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by RunSlideStop    
Great, Val. Thanks! It is decaf I assume?
Yep, it's decaf. Chamomile is a good calmer. It does NOT work for everyone, but it does for some people, so hopefully you are among those lucky ones. BTW, when you go to the supermarket they have some other "sleeping/relaxing" herbal tees (usually in smaller boxes and higher in prices than, say, Lipton). So you can try some of those. Good luck!
     
    06-11-2012, 01:19 PM
  #20
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Another thing I forgot to mention, when you find yourself laying awake - don't just lay there, it will only prolong it. Get up, take a hot bath, read a book, anything but just laying there and letting your mind run. That's what does me in, I lay there thinking about all the crap I have to get done and have a very hard time shutting it off.

Breathing exercises also help me some, I try to do 10 second inhale, 10 second exhale. Another thing my Dr. Suggested (and it sounds a bit cooky but does help) is to close your eyes and focus on the blackness, think blackness, block out all thoughts but the dark. Celestial seasonings has a "sleepy time" tea. I think the box is dark blue or purple, can't remember.
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