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        02-12-2013, 11:53 AM
      #31
    Foal
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    NO!!! I always skin the squirrel. I saw that on one if those shows as well. It takes a minute to skin a squirrel. I couldnt figure out why they would do that. I think I would have to be pretty **** hungry to not take an extra minute to skin something. I think that was a for tv dirt of thing.
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    Oh okay! The drama thing.. I get it!Another of my dear tanning friends is actually scheduled to appear on this next mountain man show.. His name is George Michaud and he'll be appearing on tv in May or June, I believe. He's teaching trapping and stuff at the Wintercount event.. it's one of the Rabbit stick's groups thing down in AZ each year. George taught me quite a bit about tanning.. and then I of course adulterate it and take a powerwasher to EVERYTHING.. I don't think I could tan anything anymore without one.. these animals are pretty gross and well it cleans a LOT of that stuff from the skins! The mess to pick up isn't too pleasant for sure but yes I can see why you might just want to skin the squirrels first! Unless of course there IS some special reason to wanting to leave it on?? The guy I watched on the show had to put the rodent back over the fire as he didn't think the meat was quite cooked! Yep.. the thoughts of that hair burning just doesn't do much for ones appetite, that's for sure!
         
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        02-12-2013, 11:59 AM
      #32
    Yearling
    I've never seen it done still on the animal. Probably alittle easier that way. The one hide I did I skinned it salted and froze it for a later date.i also got the brain and froze it to tan the hide. Got the meat from the deer and went back to the hide I think a month later after deer season. Fleshed the inside out with a scraper. Then soaked the hide in a wood ash water mix for a day. That really helped slop the hair easier. Still a lot of work though. Like I said, probably won't be doing one again. :). I may just buy my hides from now on.
    As far as the squirrel, most of the time if I'm going to be out a couple days I have a small tin boiler. I will usually quarter the squirrel, rub some salt and pepper, then par boil it and make a kind of camp soup. Maybe some onion or a potato I bring along. I have cooked over an open camp fire but the get kind of chewy.
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        02-12-2013, 12:11 PM
      #33
    Foal
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    Cool stuff!!!
    I think it would freak our dogs out though, pretty sure they'd see it as something to destroy
    I had a rabbit skin coat once and it sort of moulted after a while - why was that?
    The same always happened to the fox brushes (tails) I had.
    I think that it is just peculiar to rabbits. People seem to like to use sulphuric acid to backyard tan those but I sure wouldn't recommend it. I've been there and done that kind of tanning and well if a skin had been tanned with some types of chemicals itself.. the whole skin could just disintegrate.. I don't think that that has a thing to do with the rabbit's fur itself though.. many of those old popular style jackets would shed like that.. just individual hairs and all.. I have seen some really cool looking woven rabbit throws.. but even then.. I just don't know about the longevity of those so.. not for me!

    If I had access to hundreds of rabbit furs.. I think I might be crazy enough to fully explore their tannage.. I learned a lot on this taxidermy forum and I have fleshed a few rabbits.. tanned a couple.. that was it!
    Domestic rabbit
    I used a 3500 psi powerwasher with a rotary nozzle to flesh this rabbit.. the gas throttle was turned right down to just over an idle but I find the machines to be extremely useful for precision work.
    The flesh side of the rabbit.
    There's a tan called Trubond.. It's a synthetic tan and they're still work to soften these things.. but not a lot! And I think it does make for a garment tan.. it's the only thing I would use on a rabbit.. They might NOT shed hairs like that with that product?
         
        02-12-2013, 12:40 PM
      #34
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
    I've never seen it done still on the animal. Probably alittle easier that way. The one hide I did I skinned it salted and froze it for a later date.i also got the brain and froze it to tan the hide. Got the meat from the deer and went back to the hide I think a month later after deer season. Fleshed the inside out with a scraper. Then soaked the hide in a wood ash water mix for a day. That really helped slop the hair easier. Still a lot of work though. Like I said, probably won't be doing one again. :). I may just buy my hides from now on.
    As far as the squirrel, most of the time if I'm going to be out a couple days I have a small tin boiler. I will usually quarter the squirrel, rub some salt and pepper, then par boil it and make a kind of camp soup. Maybe some onion or a potato I bring along. I have cooked over an open camp fire but the get kind of chewy.
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    Yep.. little odd seeing a deer grained that way.. no doubt about it.. lol. But no, I usually grain them by hand as it would use far less water and all.. I don't buck my hides at all and there is no need to really. Guy Richards has sold a lot of books on brain tanning and well sometimes the Indians did indeed do just that but there are many many ways to tan deerskins and so now I just do what's easiest for me and .. easiest.. ha, yep.. it isn't easy! You can get addicted to nice deerskins and so I'm sure I've some kind of weird fetish for a nice brain tanned deerskin.. It can smell really great actually.. the smoked skin.
    Oh and I generally use the deers own brain's or buy the pork brains locally.. 1.00 per lb already packaged is very convenient.
    This is my last softened skin.. Still need to smoke it and look at that green grass!

    This is skin that I'd only softened on the flesh side.. I might have used egg yolks for the softening oil.. not sure.. can't recall.. guess I should keep better records!
    Figures I can't locate the exact picture.. photobucket has just changed to a new venue or something and I personally thought the old one was FINE..
    Sheesh.. anyway you can see the 'patina' on the leather of this bag I whipped up.. gotta keep making this leather! Would make an excellent hunters frock coat! That and about 5 or six more skins just like it!
         
        02-12-2013, 11:51 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    Interesting thread. Thanks for sharing the photos and information.
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