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    08-24-2011, 09:57 AM
Like Alex, I'm torn on this.

Why shouldn't he be able to go back to making money? Should he be forced to go on welfare/living in the streets because no one will hire him? Would that make all of you happy?

I don't like or trust him, but to deny him a livelihood smacks of over the top vengeance. I don't think he should ever be allowed to own another animal, but not allowed to make money because people want him to suffer just isn't right.

Do I think he's reformed? No, I don't. But he has a talent and there's no reason, other than misplaced anger, that he shouldn't be able to take advantage of it.

Nike and the NFL are the ones to blame here, if you're into pointing fingers. However, they're for profit corporations, and they're going to use the celebrity of the moment. Once he's useless to them he'll drop into obscurity, just like all the others.

I don't see why making money is considered evil, since all of us who work are in it for a paycheck. I know I sure could use my time for other things if I was independently wealthy!
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    08-24-2011, 10:41 AM
You all bring up such good points!

I do believe in rehabilitation and second chances and being able to make a living. No one should be denied those opportunities.

What I struggle with is that he is in a 'role model' position and from the admittedly little I've read, he doesn't seem to be too terribly remorseful. So to me the message I am hearing (rightly or wrongly) is, if you mess up, you don't have to try too hard to redeem yourself if you have this amazing talent that can be sold to the highest bidder and if you read the pre-scripted apology your PR agent has written for you in front of the cameras.

Part of what is coloring my opinion is that a few months back here in Northern NJ, he made an appearance at a sporting goods store and sold his autograph for around $40 a pop! And there were kids lined up to pay him. I'm probably not being terribly fair but that just seemed wrong to me.

But, at the end of the day, only I can control my actions towards supporting the for-profit corporations who may do something I don't agree with. I'm certainly not going to tell others what to do or how to feel. :)
    08-24-2011, 10:59 AM
Green Broke
Well, last I heard Tiger is short on sponsors these days so they may as well try and get him on board too. Wonder if OJ would still play sport, then they would have the complete set of morally bankrupt assclowns.

Must admit though, Nike as a company is a little ethically vacuous themselves so perhaps it is in keeping with their theme "Just Do It..... Corporate Social Responsibility Is A Fallacy Anyway"

ETA: Yeah yeah I know I'm a dirty hippy that thinks we should all live in a Utopian society.
    08-24-2011, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I see what you are saying, but he is also teaching kids that they can change their ways and go on to be a productive member of society again.
The question is...has he changed? How do you measure? If you talk about his "media blitz" for anti dog was condition of his release, I bet. If you talk about his money going toward his abused dog's was condition of release, I bet.

So, how does one measure true rehabilitation? By court mandated behavior? Hardly. Only time will tell. As mentioned, I simply hate that he is now a real role model for our children. Why not pick someone who really IS worthy of being a model to mold oneself after?
    08-24-2011, 11:03 AM
Well, Tiger's still persona non grata because he's doing lousy at his sport at the moment, but you can bet if/when he struggles back to actually winning, Nike will be all over him like a cheap suit.

OJ's in jail and needs to stay there, so yeah, not much chance Nike wants to sign him anytime soon either!

Allison, I think pretty much all sports figures are horrible role models for children. Yes, let's tell our kids that money and fame are the reasons we should admire someone, not the people who teach, lay their lives on the line, or work to save others. Firefighters, EMTS, teachers, LEOs, and people like that should be role models, not filthy rich scofflaws who think money makes everything all right. But those folks aren't celebrities, and celebrities are cash cows. Can't blame corporations in the business of selling things for taking advantage of that fact.

Look at the Kardashians. What the heck have THEY ever done except be drama llama attention 'hos who spend money like water? If we're morally bankrupt, it's our own fault for making people like that role models.
    08-24-2011, 11:08 AM
Green Broke
Cmon, they have gyms in jails, it's the focal point of the whole **** place right? Besides, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world with almost 3,000,000 adults in the clicker. Untapped resource methinks and who better to capitalise on that than Nike?

Yeah, Tiger's a hack.

Speed, I'd like to politely put this to you: If you can't blame the corporations for using inappropriate role models, who IS to blame? Media obviously contributes but who puts them in the media spotlight?
    08-24-2011, 11:14 AM
Everyone who supports them is to blame Sarah, and that includes John and Jane Q. Public. Can't point the blame at any one person or corporation, as it's a fustercluck all around.

C'mon, John and Kate Plus 8, Bachelor Pad, the Bachelor/Bachelorette, Jersey Shore? How in the heck did THOSE idiots ever get famous? The public. If the general population didn't support those types of programs and celebrities, the corporations wouldn't either.

Those programs are designed to appeal to our most common, base desires for scandal, gossip, and over the top drama. If people didn't tune in, they'd soon stop being made.
    08-24-2011, 11:20 AM
Green Broke
^^ True story. However the public is not likely to encounter such personalities in their day to day life unless they are presented with them in a format they can access, I.e. Media and advertising.

It is a cycle I understand that and it is a rhetorical debate but an interesting one all the same. I do wish that corporations would be more thoughtful when choosing role models as the average (i.e. Not us ) John and Jane Q. Public have demonstrated that they are incapable of independent thought and/or reflective judgement.
    08-24-2011, 11:29 AM
Exactly, it's a vicious cycle, and anyone who watches any of those trash programs supports the corporations who cash in on them.

How can someone watch football preseason, in season, and post season and yet say they're not supporting Michael Vick? They most certainly are, as the NFL is the vehicle for his fame.

People are all about claiming the moral high ground, as long as it doesn't interfere with their pleasure or inconvenience them in any way.

I don't watch football but it's not from any spark of conscience, as I just don't like it. So I can't claim moral superiority, either. I do refuse to watch any of that 'reality' garbage though, because I find the whole idea offensive and crass. I don't understand why anyone thinks those programs are worth watching, as I can feel my IQ dropping even the few seconds it takes me to change the channel.

(Speed harumphs, steps down off her soap box, and goes to watch the Science Channel.)
    08-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Green Broke
Ha ha, I too am stepping off the soapbox, flicking my hair over my shoulder dramatically and stomping off to watch the History Channel.

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