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post #11 of 48 Old 03-29-2013, 12:42 AM
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I think there's a difference between sports like dodgeball and teaching kids the difference between winning and losing, working hard and slacking off, etc. my personal experience speaks to the fact that kids used gym class as a way to physically hurt me, yes it carried over into the rest of my life, and no it wasn't "just" dodge ball, but YES I was affected by it. I am ALL for team sports, winning and losing, not 'coddling' children, but I, personally, do see a difference between that and a sport like dodge ball. I don't know, it's just something that has never sat well with me- and I do think they're two completely different issues. Yes I think kids are being 'coddled' too much, given too many chances, etc. but I don't think they are DIRECTLY related.
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I'm with the other posters who mentioned that games like dodgeball were used by tormentors as an excuse to pick on "the lame kids".

I was that kid too. I had multiple instances where I would show up to school one day, thinking I had friends, and discover that sometime overnight my "friends" had decided that they hated me. I was never expecting it and these kids made sure I knew they hated me during PE. I was the "target" during games like dodgeball and the PE teacher I had during that time saw what was going on, that I was being exclusively targeted, but did nothing because I "needed to grow a thicker skin." Mind you, I never cried at school or was a wimp about it, I just took it - did nothing to show that I "needed" a thicker skin, but this PE teacher was pretty sure I needed one because the other kids hated me.
This happened over and over again because, I guess I wasn't so bright, I kept going back to those kids whenever they decided to re-accept me.
The whole time this was going on, I was also experiencing some major, what I've come to realize now was, emotional abuse from my parents that already was telling my brain that I was the worst.
The pain from those experiences is still with me and it does color my everyday life. I try to be aware of my own issues and I like to think that I'm tough about it, but bullying like that is not something you just "get over".

Anyway, I certainly don't think everyone should win or that kids should be allowed to be "wimps", like so many today are, but I do think games like dodgeball could have more everyone-friendly options. Everyone winning would not be the goal, the goal would be to remove the chance to single one kid out and hurt them.

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I don't find this surprising at all. The first time I took my daughter to a camp at a young age - they asked the usual questions, you know - about illness, prescription drugs, etc.,. My daughter had no medical concerns, no prescriptions. It appeared she was the only one. I was shocked that every parent had their kid on at least one form of prescription dope or another. I mean, all of them??? No doubt they were mostly for some non-existant "attention deficit disorder" type "needs". Kids are kids, they have energy to burn, if you do not let them burn it in sports or by being kids...ya have no choice but to drug 'em. But, WHAT parent would go along with it???

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post #15 of 48 Old 03-29-2013, 02:21 AM
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I'm all for eliminating dodgeball. I fail to comprehend what valuable skills are learned in a game that consists of nothing but hurling balls at people.

There are plenty of sports out there that promote teamwork, playing fairly and learning that at the end of the day, not everyone is #1. I think that such a sport would be a much better choice than one that has an extremely high potential for undeserved injuries and serves to teach absolutely zero skills other than how to duck when an object is careening toward you.

I agree that "everyone wins" is really pathetic. I went to the absolute LAMEST awards ceremony tonight. The kids inhaled pizza and then each one was given a "participation medal". Seriously?? I drove THIRTY MINUTES each way for THAT!? 50% or more of the kids already had some variety of trophy or medal from the various wrestling meets the team had attended, the rest were either downright horrible (due to lack of effort and participation at practice. I literally "forbid" my child from wrestling several kids who came to practice to fool around, not actually work) or didn't bother to go to a single meet! There was a distinct correlation between those who spent practice fooling around and those who failed to attend any meets. We don't need participation medals.... just another hunk o junk for me to hang up and dust. I think the team pictures were more than sufficient mementos of the team.

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Dodgeball is less violent than football, basketball, or volleyball. Sure I got hit with plenty of dodgeballs, but I also got trampled and broke my finger in basketball, completely threw off my knees in volleyball, and I got a lot more long term damage from THAT than I did dodgeball.

Oh and the fact that my back is probably going to pain me for the rest of my life from riding at seventeen is great too, right? Never had that from dodgeball.

Got slammed into the wall once during mat ball. Gonna eliminate that too?

Softball hit me in the face ones and I got a major black eye. Now you wanna talk about PAIN, talk about THAT!

If nothing can be learned from dodgeball, nothing can be learned from those either.

Either way, all of those are gonna teach you one thing: Do your hardest and you won't be in the firing zone!

I remember even being in elementary school, one kid punched another one. The kid got a bloody lip, no huge production, the little brat in question got sent to the principle and after that no problem. No lawsuit, no problem, never happened again but the kid with the smart mouth sure shut up fast.

What happens when you coddle people is they get confident. Real confident. Arrogant, spoiled, never learn to take a hit or grin and bear the pain because they've never felt it before. No one will know how to work. Sometimes those confident killers are a major blessing to everyone. Sobers you up pretty fast.

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There is a difference between violent and physical. Yes things happen in other sports, injuries, etc. my 'beef' with dodgeball is not game itself (granted, the game of throwing balls at one another seems a bit... wonky to me) it's the way that it is harder to control than volleyball, basketball, etc. they're not comparable, in my opinion. Yes, you can get trampled or shoved etc. in other sports, however in dodgeball its very very easy to gang up with your teammates and pummel an individual kid without it seeming suspect.

I don't see the association between dodgeball and ableness in school and work. It isn't a 'structured' sport, and doesn't teach very much discipline. To me, of THIS particular sport, the cons outweigh the pros.

I agree with Delfina's post 100%. I just fail to see how dodgeball of all things provides the idea of structure / hard working.
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Don't blame the kids. Blame the generation of "I'll sue" parents. That's why the game has been banned.

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post #19 of 48 Old 03-29-2013, 08:29 AM
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Dodgeball isn't a sport, it's a game from gym class. There's no "tactics". You just throw the d*mn ball at someone on the other side.

I don't know why (ok, I do. But won't get into it here) this gets me so worked up. We can all compare 'I got picked on worse stories', but the truth is it made us who we are despite who had it the worst.

This whole, "every kid gets a medal, get upset another kid gave yours a hug, anything said/done to your kid that they didn't like makes you a bully" attitude people have these days irritates the H**L out of me.

If one of my kids came home bawling because all the other kids aimed at them in dodgeball, you know what i'd say?

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What if you kid came home bawling because they constantly pick her last. The other kids grown when she put/assigned to their team. Then the call him/her names like "slow sally" or "heifer" in stead of Heather. Then during the game (despite putting up a fair fight) she was targeted by just about everyone else on the team. She/he is targeted and struck out every single game, laughed at and mocked. Now he/she is starting to isolate and stops participating in actives.... You can see how this goes on and on...

There's a difference between giving kids an opportunity to thrive in an organized game where the agenda is to achieve a goal. It makes it hard to really single out one person in softball, swimming and volleyball. The objective of dodge ball is to just hurl balls at kids and it allows ample opportunity for kids to pick on, humiliate and embarrass another child.
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