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    08-26-2012, 12:17 AM
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I think of myself as about 70% liberal, heck 90% of my friends are super 95-100% liberal. I have not heard of this documentary. I find that rather shocking, as my FB friends are on every issue, fighting every cause type people. (Not all friends of course, but a bunch of them).
     
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    08-26-2012, 12:21 AM
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As everyone knows, I am vehemently anti-Obama,
I lean more towards him than anyone else offered. And I can understand why others don't care for him if the politics are different.

But I think aside from politics, he is a wonderful speaker - maybe the best I have seen. His speeches are truly inspirational. If you can set politics aside, how do you feel about him as a public speaker?

I moved to the Us in the Bush time period - oh dear gawd, I was embarrassed for American's, even putting politics aside.
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    08-26-2012, 12:54 AM
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Alex S if you were ever in the room with GW Bush you would understand the attraction that most people here had for him.
He was not a dynamic speaker however he has plenty of charisma.
I am not a fan of his but attended several fundraisers while he was Gov. Of Texas for various charities. Something Romney is lacking from what I have heard from those that have known him. Shalom
     
    08-26-2012, 01:39 AM
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With respect to Obama being a good speaker...I have the following to say:
There are multiple actors and news anchors that have beautiful voices and speak extremely well. The former don't tend to need a telepromter to remember their lines. Subtance is a bit more important to me than meaningless and endless strings of sentences spoken in a pleasant voice - especially when it comes to the president of the United States.
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    08-26-2012, 01:47 AM
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Not the TELEPROMPTER!!!

Get off the teleprompter. They ALL use them. Heck, Romney used two of them on one of the most important speeches of his career. He couldn't memorize it either?

Romney goes to the teleprompter - Washington Times
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    08-26-2012, 02:06 AM
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Not the TELEPROMPTER!!!

Get off the teleprompter. They ALL use them. Heck, Romney used two of them on one of the most important speeches of his career. He couldn't memorize it either?

Romney goes to the teleprompter - Washington Times
If "they" all use them, why would it be note worthy that Romney used one or more?
I am very clear on the fact Obama does not have a monopoly on the use of this technology.
     
    08-26-2012, 03:26 AM
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as everyone knows, I am vehemently anti-obama, but I detest this movie coming out late in an election year prior to the election. It is billed as a "documentary", but as with michael moore's "documentaries, it is politically motivated and biased. If you watch fox, you will have seen several interviews with d'souza, and there is no question he is hardline anti-obama. I absolutely do not like the precedent this is setting - a defamatory film, meaning it is a 2 hour negative ad, being released only a couple of months before the election.

Present company excepted, I do not have enough faith that the majority of americans are able to truly distinguish a factual documentary from one that is nothing more than an opinion-editorial...people have a tendency to believe what they see and hear - as is quite evident from the mainstream liberal media. Whether you support him or oppose him, no one in their right mind can believe that obama would have been elected in the first place if it weren't for the support of the mainstream media. While a little part of me hopes this film will help dump obama, my principles tell me it is wrong. I will not view it myself - purchasing a ticket supports this kind of crap and I, for one, will not support it. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with making a politically biased "documentary", but it should be released mid-term or after the election...

Well said.
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    08-26-2012, 10:00 AM
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If "they" all use them, why would it be note worthy that Romney used one or more?
I am very clear on the fact Obama does not have a monopoly on the use of this technology.
Probably because people like you make such a big deal about their use. I doubt anyone cared before that. Tit for tat, it would seem.
     
    08-26-2012, 10:27 AM
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But I think aside from politics, he is a wonderful speaker - maybe the best I have seen. His speeches are truly inspirational. If you can set politics aside, how do you feel about him as a public speaker?
He is a good political speaker, but not a particularly good public speaker overall. I'm sure you realize that poltiicians at that level do not write their own speeches - they have speechwriters. So you cannot attribute the content to the speaker other than their editing to personalize the speech. Even mid and higher level government officials often have their speeches written by people that have a lot of political savvy and truely know how to capture an audience. I wrote many speeches for government officials - most of them are pretty clueless.

As far as the delivery, I would rate him as so-so. He reads well, which is a big help, but his pauses are too often and poorly timed, he cannot seem to mask his arrogant expression, and his eye contact is poor, which goes along with the arrogant expression - he looks down too much and up too much rather than at his audience, which demonstrates a lack of willingness to look his audience in the eye and questions his honesty, and which elicits a lack of trust on the part of people that are truly listening to what he is saying rather than just listening unthinkingly to something they want to hear. You can always tell when he is lying or uncomfortable with what he is saying by looking at his eyes. As you know, I was a Public Affairs Officer for a federal agency for many years, and as such had formal training provided by the government - similar to the training most politicians undertake, and I am a little surprised, considering how smart Obama is, that he makes as many mistakes in his delivery and body language as he does. Yes, he inspires people, but he only inspires people that agree with his politics and hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. His biggest problem when speaking is the inability to hide his arrogance and the fact that he talks down to people - not to them. That is what he is, of course, but there are easy ways to conceal it...
     
    08-26-2012, 10:35 AM
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Missy May a politicain in this country that is prominent is never going to say anything that has not been cleared thruough an adviser.
They do not write thier own speeches and the opinions they have are discussed and stated in ways to placate the most voters.
Even in a one on one interview most have already seen a list of the questions that are to be asked and have thier answers rehearsed.
Akins remarks are only going to make the rest ensure they avoid such a fiasco.
With Bill Clinton entering the arena on the Obama camp he can counter any popularity that Ryan is getting.
Except for Ronald Reagan there has not been a better politicain that has conveyed his message as well as Clinton.
Good move from Obama. Shalom
     

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