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post #1 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 01:47 AM Thread Starter
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OOPs puppies, health testing after the fact?

I have AKC English Mastiffs, Tugg and Rosie. Tugg is 13 months old, a very tall, big beautiful, funny, gentle giant who already weighs 165 pounds. He is still hip high and has a lot of filling out to do. No lameness or gait abnormalities, but did have Pano (growing pains) on his fronts when he grew too fast - he was on premium adult food, limited amounts, and NUPRO silver - vet said not to be concerned, sometimes Pano just can't be helped. She said he would outgrow it and he did.

Rosie is almost 4, smaller at about 125 pounds, very athletic, smart, loyal dog. She isn't much bigger than a large lab, and has never had any health issues - there is no doubt in my mind she'll pass tests with flying colors.

I was waiting to do hip and elbow testing on Tugg until he reaches age 2, because that's minimum age for OFA hip tests. Figured I'd take them both in when he hit two - both have excellent temperaments and I have had many requests for pups from them.

Well, we were evacuated for the Black Forest Fire, and though we had been separating them for Rosie's heats, when the fire started we put them in our backyard until we could come back from evacuating horses - felt the house and barn were at risk by embers, and being in the yard would give them a better chance. By the time we got our horses to safety, and went back to get the dogs, the roads were closed. We had to park on a side road, hike across a 400 acre open space to get to our back pasture, hop fences and then get our jeep (extra vehicle), take out the back seat, get the dogs in and get them out of the area. Took a few hours. The next days we were living at my daughters and focusing on the fire, the evacuation, and the chaos - dogs were together in the back yard, but no mating or even interest from Tugg was observed. Didn't think much about it until about 4 weeks later when Rosie started thickening.

65 days later a litter of 10 was born, 2 still born and two died in the first days, much smaller than the others. We now have 6 beautiful pups 12 days old. Three have already been reserved, and I am carefully going through the requests for the other three. I have been honest that though the parents are loved family pets and current on all normal shots, worming, etc - they have not been tested for genetic diseases. I have guaranteed the pups, and will bring them home if they are found to have genetic diseases, but to be honest, and somewhat surprisingly, the prospective owners aren't really concerned. My dogs are beautiful, and properly trained, and healthy.

For my peace of mind, I am considering doing a preliminary OFA testing now on Tugg so we can offer results to the new owners of the pups...

Husband thinks that is silly - pups are here, have homes, and we wont repeat the breeding until and IF the testing at two years comes back with good results.

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post #2 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 02:07 AM
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If the families that are taking the puppies aren't concerned about the testing, I'd just wait until Tugg is 2 and then let the families with the pups know the outcome.

Beautiful dogs.
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post #3 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 07:39 AM
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Tugg is one handsome hunk! Personally, I'd wait til 2 And do the full OFA testing, hips/elbows/eyes. Let owners know of the results later.

But I would still register the litter. (If you havent already)
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Having the paperwork won't change the pups, nor will it guarantee their status. I'd wait- sell the pups at a reduced rate and move on until he's two. And yes register them. Beautiful dogs!
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post #5 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 11:39 AM
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Wait to do the test then tell those who bought your pups.

Now food for thought from a family who used to raise and sell dogs. Don't guarantee the pups to be free from genetic defects. Genetics being what genetics are there is no sure thing when it comes to babies. Best you can do is keep in contact with those who purchased the pups, if to many problems arise stop breeding that pair.

One last thing, please ask those who are buying to not allow their pups to ride in the back of pickups until the dog is fully mature. That swaying motion and banging for large breed dogs is very hard on their young developing hips. Every single family who called us to complain that their dog had hip problems ignored our warning and took the dog in the back on trips all the time.
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post #6 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 07:42 PM
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OHHHH LOOK AT THEM! We've got a mastiff right now - a big lug weighing in a 9 years old and 200 pounds. He's ancient, but he's still trucking with a bit of stiffness in his hips. We got him from rescue when he was around one, so we don't know his background, however.

I hope you find wonderful homes for these puppies! I would send in an application in a heartbeat if I had the room and the time! Such great dogs
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post #7 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 07:52 PM
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Puppehs!

Can't help on the testing subject because I've never bred dogs just purchased my hounds from reputable breeders so no help there!

But Daddy is a HUNK.

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post #8 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 08:21 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for your responses, there is a lot of wisdom in this chat - leaning towards waiting until 2 for full testing. This puppy stuff is a LOT of work - my hats off to those who do it on purpose - I am quite sleep deprived making sure they eat enough, gain enough, don't get smushed - etc... I will breathe a big sigh of relief when they get about 4 weeks old and able to move about freely...

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post #9 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 09:15 PM
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I don't envy you-We had a surprise litter of white schnauzers and altho they were fun, they were tons of work, and mom and dad's timing sucked. The pups were born when we were in between homes, waiting for one to be finished, and we lived in a 3 bedroom apartment with 3 kids and 10 dogs. (yes, our little mini mom had 8 pups....) WE did not repeat that performance.
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post #10 of 18 Old 08-28-2013, 09:30 PM
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OMG where in CO are you!!??

Hubby has been dying for an English Mastiff, we have a Bull Mastiff whose had cancer removed twice and sadly isn't long for this world. I can't find a non-puppy mill puppy whose breeder isn't insisting on a show contract.
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