Can I just say that, although I don't agree with some of the posters, I RESPECTFULLY disagree
This comment has absolutely no place in any debate. It is just mean. It does nothing except degrade another human being. Seriously we are all adults.
Originally Posted by Bearkiller
I'm glad you didn't get in also. They must have seen you coming from miles away. :) Our culture has been corrupted too much already by socialist Europians..
I am too an Evangelical. I am too a conservative, my entire family leans right, by quite a bit. I am also married to a right wing conservative.
I can, however, be an adult and realize that just because someone doesn't agree with me does not mean that they shouldn't be allowed into the country.
Socialism in and of itself has some good ideas. I don't disagree with the concept, I just don't think it a practical way to run anything for numerous reasons, which is why I don't support it. Do I think free market is better, yes, but it also has its limitations.
I do agree that Obama could have gotten more done, to a point. He pushed through the healthcare bill pretty dang fast if you ask me. Obamacare seems to be where he earned his "socialist" name as it is a more socialist type ideal, on a basic level at least. Obama is a liberal, he holds left winged views. And yes, I understand that left here is different than left in Europe. But since the idea of universal health care is a big topic in America right now, we compare ourselves to Europe. Europe has universal health care, for the most part. Since we consider UHC to be a socialist type idea, we consider Europe to lean towards socialist ideas as well.
I find it humorous that not paying taxes was said to be an American ideal. And just earlier in the conversation someone said something about being up to date in the year 2012, with the 60 and 50s being gone. Well then lets get up to date on America shall we? Sure we are for reducing taxes, but the right side doesn't want to get rid of taxes. The whole anti-tax thing started with the American revolution, where taxes were too high, as set by England. That was a while ago. We still hold those values of trying to maintain lower taxes, but to say that we are not for paying our taxes is false.
I also find it humorous that someone pointed out how free market and American ideals don't work. Really? That's funny because we have the longest lasting original constitution of any country, and the govt, although changing, has not ever been overthrown or redrafted. Whereas socialist countries (I'll use the USSR as an example because they were brought up earlier) have had numerous revolutions and changing in constitutions. If I had to pick one that didn't work, it would be socialism.
So yes, I understand that politics are different here in the US as compared to Europe, but then again, that's why our country was originally founded, because we wanted nothing to do with Europe's ideal society.