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    09-07-2011, 10:37 PM
  #11
Foal
That would be great to have a dog around for company! My one bit of advice is to not spend TOO much time with it though. Let it learn to be alone tied up and not always by your side or it might get separation anxiety. I tried bringing my JRT to the barn a week ago and all she did was bark when I was out of sight :( I wish she was content without me.
     
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    09-07-2011, 11:39 PM
  #12
Green Broke
Start early. My dogs were out in the barn on a leash soon after they got their shots.
Unless you are near him, I would crate your dog rather than tie him when you are working, and put water in the crate. Even if he has an accident its better than dehydration.
Introduce the dog to a calm confident horse that isn't afraid of dogs the 1st time on a leash. Never let the dog chase or bark at a horse. Make sure right away he knows that is unacceptable behavior. My dog is also taught not to go into the horses stalls.

When the pups were getting used to the horses, I would take one out to the barn with me at a time. I would to tie the pup up outside of the stalls when I was cleaning. Once it learned to stay close to me, I was able to let her loose. They will sit outside the stall and wait until I'm done now.

Oh & one way to encourage the dog to stay close to you is to carry a favorite toy with you. I tie baling string into a knot and every once in a while I'll toss play fetch or tug with them
     
    09-07-2011, 11:49 PM
  #13
Showing
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Originally Posted by Countrylady1071    
I was thinking of just hiring a pro dog trainer for all the obedience commands training, how young cam they do that?
As far as tying, I definitely would have a safe place to tie him outside where he couldn't get into any trouble, but I'm not sure how long it's acceptable to tie a puppy up. I work three hours, then lunch for an hour, then back to work for 5-8 hours. I couldn't tie him IN the barn, as there isn't a safe place where he wouldn't be in the way of horses..unless I took a big crate to work and after crate training, maybe I could put him in the crate for an hour here and there right near all the action, so he is used to the atmosphere before being able to get in trouble? Amy other suggestions?
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Even hiring a trainer, you're going to have to work with the dog. This is going to sound harsh, but you can't expect someone else to do the work for you. Training a dog, especially a puppy, is not at all liking training a horse. Yes, you can send a horse off to a trainer and have it come back knowing the cues and all that and the horse will obey those cues because it is taught to and you're the one that controls the bit (i.e.-pressure and release). With a dog, they form a bond with you and will obey you because of that bond, not because they have to. Example: My dog will obey me very well because I have worked with him extensively. My dog won't listen to my dad or my mom or anyone else as well as he listens to me, even if he likes them, because he doesn't have to obey them because they don't have his respect.
     
    09-08-2011, 03:40 AM
  #14
Foal
Oh, I know. I would hire someone that would teach me to teach him. I don't want to just send the dog off, I just feel that the dog would be better trained under the guidance of a pro. It's not that I don't want to be involved!
As far as when I work and taking the pup, I don't clean stalls, I get horses ready for trainers for the most part. So I don't really have anywhere to tie the dog other than outside. Maybe I can just alternate between having the pup in a crate and being tied outside. Sometimes I work horses in a round pen, maybe I could bring pup with me with leash attached to me? Just would be a little nervous with that, with a horse running around..
I don't know, I want a dog to be completely comfortable around barns/horses I've just never really taught a dog anything but the most basic of commands so I've got a lot to learn! Aussies seem very smart and to naturally want to stay close to their owner, so I think that will help.
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    09-08-2011, 03:50 AM
  #15
Showing
Oh, okay. Sorry if I came off a little harsh, but your post sounded like you were just going to send the dog away to a trainer and be done with it.

Aussies are velcro dogs. Mine has to be where I am at all times. I can't even go to the bathroom in peace! He sleeps on my bed (only if invited, though), lays by my feet when I'm watching TV or on the computer, stays right with me if I'm outside in the yard or at my parents' house. When we lived in our apartment in Tucson, I actually had to teach him the command "back" because my kitchen was tiny and he would frequently trap me in it by sitting right in the middle of the only way out (or he'd stay right on my heels as I was cooking or doing dishes and there wasn't much space for him to turn around). So, I taught him to back up on command and it has become quite useful. Sometimes his clinginess gets a bit annoying, though.

One of my only complaints about him is that he is impossible to keep weight on. He is free-fed Canidae All Stages dry food, but even then he only eats about two cups per day (sometimes less). He weighs 53lbs and is bony and ribby (at least more so than I would like him to be). My ideal weight for him would be around 65lbs, but I have no idea how to get him there. *pulls hair out of head in frustration* My friend says that Dana, her border collie, and Cash, my aussie/st bernard, have the metabolism of hummingbirds on crack. Lol
     
    09-08-2011, 04:42 AM
  #16
Foal
Oh no, that's okay! I realize now, looking at what I said, that that's exactly how I sounded!
My parents Doberman, Bella, is definitely a velcro dog.. She lays on the bathroom floor when I'm showering, even! She always needs to be with someone from the family. She's not well trained at all, though, and as soon as she's outside she loses nearly all interest in listening (just to clarify, this wouldn't be the case if she were mine! My parents just don't care to have a dog that's obedience trained)
So I just want to make sure I do everything right with my dog. The people I work for have a dog that they take to shows, and they usually have her tied so she doesn't go off sniffing (she stays in the GENERAL area but not close) and I don't want a.to have to tie my dog up(eventually.. I understand that until he's mature he'll need to be tied) and b.want to trust my dog to stay within, say, 20 feet of me at all times.
Are there even people that will come to your home and help train your dog, or is your only option really classes? I would like to take classes, anyway, as a way to get pup socialized but would prefer to also have one on one training time with a pro to help cement everything in

Hope my post is all sensible, I've had quite a long couple weeks working at horse shows (last week I worked 99 hours! And I've had one day off and now I'm working another horse show, in another state, with twice as many horses.. I'm just a little tired, haha!)
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    09-08-2011, 07:49 AM
  #17
Started
Your are taking a puppy to work. Remember it is a puppy!! And as such will be as thick as two short planks and act the part. Be patient, like all animals our behaviour improves with age and so will the dogs.
     
    09-08-2011, 04:34 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by Countrylady1071    
Oh no, that's okay! I realize now, looking at what I said, that that's exactly how I sounded!
My parents Doberman, Bella, is definitely a velcro dog.. She lays on the bathroom floor when I'm showering, even! She always needs to be with someone from the family. She's not well trained at all, though, and as soon as she's outside she loses nearly all interest in listening (just to clarify, this wouldn't be the case if she were mine! My parents just don't care to have a dog that's obedience trained)
So I just want to make sure I do everything right with my dog. The people I work for have a dog that they take to shows, and they usually have her tied so she doesn't go off sniffing (she stays in the GENERAL area but not close) and I don't want a.to have to tie my dog up(eventually.. I understand that until he's mature he'll need to be tied) and b.want to trust my dog to stay within, say, 20 feet of me at all times.
Are there even people that will come to your home and help train your dog, or is your only option really classes? I would like to take classes, anyway, as a way to get pup socialized but would prefer to also have one on one training time with a pro to help cement everything in

Hope my post is all sensible, I've had quite a long couple weeks working at horse shows (last week I worked 99 hours! And I've had one day off and now I'm working another horse show, in another state, with twice as many horses.. I'm just a little tired, haha!)
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What type of training is available depends greatly on where you are. In my small town, for example, there is an agility club and there's the local kennel club that does obedience. The one lady who did one-on-one obedience passed away last year, unfortunately. Bigger cities have more options. One thing I would caution you against is doing the Petco/Petsmart obedience classes. I know people who have done them and their dogs learned next to nothing (one of my friends has done the intermediate level class THREE TIMES with her GSD/aussie mix and he is still no better-behaved than he was before he took the classes). I did a class through the local kennel club with my dalmatian when I was in middle school (got her when I was 11) and it was great. I also did one-on-one refresher sessions with the retired show aussie I had in high school (she was agility/rally trained and had been a show dog) and they were amazing...but that was probably because the dog was already trained. Lol

One thing to keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to do obedience classes in order for the dog to mind/behave. My mom never did classes with her maltipoo and yet DD listens better than some obedience-trained dogs I know. I never did classes with Cash (couldn't afford them when I first got him and now he's extremely dog-reactive, so we're not allowed at group classes), yet he listens very well. I house-sit for a guy who has a pit/lab mix that is his ranch dog that he never did classes with and I can let her out on his unfenced property when I go to feed the horses and she stays within 20-30 feet of me at all times (and I'm not even her owner!). All it takes to have a dog that is obedient and stays with you is consistent training and working with it.
     
    09-08-2011, 07:20 PM
  #19
Foal
Olay, thanks! I'll definitely look more into it when we get our dog. Another question, how do you teach a dog to be okay tied up without barking or whining?
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    09-08-2011, 09:24 PM
  #20
Weanling
I have two Aussies and they come to the barn with me all the time.

You don't really train a dog to be "barn savvy", you train for obedience in all situations. A solid recall no matter what so your dog can be trusted off leash, a down/stay you can use while you ride or lunge a horse, a "leave it" for when the puppy eats horse poo or finds some shavings he can't live without.

Focus on good obedience and use that training at the barn and your puppy will naturally turn into a good barn dog.

To answer your question you train a puppy to be quite while tethered by tethering him often and ignoring the barking or whining. Only quiet dogs get untied.
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