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    03-31-2010, 05:23 PM
  #1
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Question for the Christians/Bible believers out there (no offensiveness needed)

Do you guys really,truthfully,honestly believe the whole "Jonah and the whale" story?

I mean come on, elementary school kids know better than to believe that someone could be swallowed up into an animals stomach and live for any amount of time..

And the first person to shout "Its a miracle!!!" is getting a dirty look..


Brought to you by todays argument with a preacher at the bus stop who just had to save my soul because I was wearing a Queen jacket and obviously gay musicians are the devils doing.


Thank you for your time!


For the record I do "believe" in a greater being, just not a huge fan of the bible and religious hypocrisy...
     
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    03-31-2010, 05:36 PM
  #2
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Mmm...that is the one thing I have not been sure about. I am sure that because it was in the Bible it wasn't 100 percent false, but I don't think it was completely true either.

I don't know. It is kind of a childish sounding thing, but *no dirty look needed* when Jesus was around miracles really did happen, and they still happen today.

It could have just been one of those freak accidents where the man managed to escape. After all, their survival skills and their skills of nature back then were probably a lot more than we have today..so..I don't know. Maybe?
     
    03-31-2010, 05:41 PM
  #3
Yearling
I do. And I'm not some freak religious person(atleast I try not to be, others may disagree ), I just know that God can do amazing things. What about the time when the Isrealites were fighting another people(I can't remember who) and as long as Moses held up his hands, the Israelites were winning, but if he put them down, they began to lose. All of the events in the bible seem unrealistic unless you realize it was God doing all of these things. I mean, he created the universe out of nothing! He opened His mouth and out came light! He designed the complex, diverse creatures that we are. Anyway, if one doesn't beleive that Jonah was swallowed and then spit out by a whale, then how can they beleive that Jesus rose from the dead? That's just as hard to beleive but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We just can't understand HOW it could happen, and since we think we humans are the most intellegent beings to ever have breath, we come to the false conclusion that things we cannot explain must not be true. But if we well humble ourselves and realize that we are very, very, very small and our God is VERY, VERY, VERY big than we will see that just because it doesn't make since to us or we cannot do such things(by ourselves), doesn't mean it is impossible for God. Okay, my novel is done. Cookies to all who read this far!
     
    03-31-2010, 05:50 PM
  #4
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I see most of the stories in the Bible as parables. They have a moral to them, and give people an idea of how they're supposed to act.

Being a Christian, I believe Jesus was the Son of God. Others who are not Christians don't believe that, and I'm okay with it.

I've seen miracles happen, so have my own personal proof that they occur. I can't prove them to you of course because faith is just that, faith.

The Bible contradicts itself if many places, and some of the original books didn't make it into the finished product. So yes, it's a flawed manual, but that doesn't mean you can't find a lot of good in it.

The Bible has been rewritten hundreds of time by men with their own set of agendas, prejudices, and beliefs. Before it was written down, it was by word of mouth.

As an historical document, it definitely has its place. Many of the places, people, and things described did indeed happen and exist. Whether you want to put a 'Godly' spin on them or not, is up to you.

FWIW, I love Queen and was very sad when Freddy Mercury died.

Christ preached tolerance and love for everyone. He did not say, "Except for all the gays, Jews, Muslims, heathens, women, etc." Humanity has taken His words and turned them around to fit their own prejudices and bigotries, and that saddens me.

I can and will witness to others if they show an interest. What I won't do is try to pressure someone into believing as I do. There are different beliefs, and who am I to say that one is more right than the other?
     
    03-31-2010, 06:05 PM
  #5
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
I see most of the stories in the Bible as parables. They have a moral to them, and give people an idea of how they're supposed to act.

Being a Christian, I believe Jesus was the Son of God. Others who are not Christians don't believe that, and I'm okay with it.

I've seen miracles happen, so have my own personal proof that they occur. I can't prove them to you of course because faith is just that, faith.

The Bible contradicts itself if many places, and some of the original books didn't make it into the finished product. So yes, it's a flawed manual, but that doesn't mean you can't find a lot of good in it.

The Bible has been rewritten hundreds of time by men with their own set of agendas, prejudices, and beliefs. Before it was written down, it was by word of mouth.

As an historical document, it definitely has its place. Many of the places, people, and things described did indeed happen and exist. Whether you want to put a 'Godly' spin on them or not, is up to you.

FWIW, I love Queen and was very sad when Freddy Mercury died.

Christ preached tolerance and love for everyone. He did not say, "Except for all the gays, Jews, Muslims, heathens, women, etc." Humanity has taken His words and turned them around to fit their own prejudices and bigotries, and that saddens me.

I can and will witness to others if they show an interest. What I won't do is try to pressure someone into believing as I do. There are different beliefs, and who am I to say that one is more right than the other?

You say things much more eloquently than I am capable of and you pretty much stated everything I wanted to.

I guess I get fed up with people who look at lets say... The Egyptians theories and gods and say "Oh those are just fairytales/stories" but get so pissed when you throw it back at them about the Bible.

And don't get me started on Leviticus lol.

Anywhoo, kudos to you for having a more opened religious mind than most and I hope in the future I can respond to people the way you have here.
     
    03-31-2010, 07:57 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ExquisiteEquines    

And the first person to shout "Its a miracle!!!" is getting a dirty look..
Why would you look down upon someone who says that? I can understand not believing what they say, but scoffing at them isn't going to help anyone.
     
    03-31-2010, 10:45 PM
  #7
Banned
I am a firm beliver in Christ.. I belive he is our savior he died for our sins and yes I do belive every story in our Bible is a very much true story.
Yes Jonah got swallowed by a whale.. it was in the bible. But like one of the posters said, it was entirely false or true. So it could of been a freak accident but like the Noah and his Ark and all the other parts it was true or Daniel and the Lion Den or the 3 guys who were going to be thrown in to the fire..
Those were all planned by God. God has his ways of showing stuff an then helping.

That is my Point of View I have been going to church since I was a baby. Don't bible studies gone to youth group studies weekend bible stuff and camp. I have learned so much and still want to learn I just havent taken the time to do that and really I need to..

Anyways I hope I don't get argued with like I did on another forum about religons.
     
    04-01-2010, 03:24 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by EventersBabe    
I am a firm beliver in Christ.. I belive he is our savior he died for our sins and yes I do belive every story in our Bible is a very much true story.
Yes Jonah got swallowed by a whale.. it was in the bible. But like one of the posters said, it was entirely false or true. So it could of been a freak accident but like the Noah and his Ark and all the other parts it was true or Daniel and the Lion Den or the 3 guys who were going to be thrown in to the fire..
Those were all planned by God. God has his ways of showing stuff an then helping.

That is my Point of View I have been going to church since I was a baby. Don't bible studies gone to youth group studies weekend bible stuff and camp. I have learned so much and still want to learn I just havent taken the time to do that and really I need to..

Anyways I hope I don't get argued with like I did on another forum about religons.
There is my thoughts on this 150%.
I thoroughly believe that because we are humans, and we aren't God we cannot wrap our heads around some things that may have happened in the Bible. It's not meant for us to understand everything, because if we understood everything, there would be no questions!
I cannot begin to fathom and understand half of the miracles and stories of things that happened in the Bible, As EventersBabe said, Shadrack, Meshack, and Abednigo thrown into the fiery furnace, I can't even picture that, let alone wrap my head around it, yet I believe it happened. Same with Jonah and the Whale, the burning bush, and many many many other instances of absolute incredible things happening throughout the Bible. I believe sometimes things that you could never in your wildest dreams imagine to happen, have to happen in order for one to realize things that they need to realize.
I believe in the unseen, because trust and faith is beyond what you know. My faith is in God, and I believe anything and everything can happen if it's His will. I'm ok with not knowing everything.
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    04-01-2010, 05:40 AM
  #9
Trained
Can't say I'm the most religious person around. In fact I'm not religious at all so disregard my comments if you feel so inclined however I would like to put my point of view across.

So, I think the bible has some good morals, the whole be nice etc. etc. deal. And I 100% agree with these morals and like to stick to them. I do think that Jesus was around and walked the earth and did some pretty amazing things. What I DON'T get, is why the Christian 'GOD' is the be all and end all?? How many other religions are out there with their own god or gods, Egyptians had a number of god's for example. So what makes the white, christian god so important? I see it as a bit of discrimination and there is little wonder why wars are caused by religion. How come when the main morals in each religion is about how human life is so important and we're equal, god looks after us all.... how come we turn around and mercilessly slaughter hundreds... thousands, of other people simply because they don't follow 'our' religion???

I am very much a person that needs visual and factual proof before I will believe something. I don't just believe something because someone has told me to 'just because'. Yes, I was brought up in a religious family, my parents tried to get me to go to church every Sunday as a kid, my grandparents are deeply religious, we'd say grace before meals etc. But even as a totally nieve 10 year old, I wanted the PROOF that god was around. I didn't get why, if god was such a lovely 'person' and cared for everyone, why so many people died, are killed, are tortured, live in extreme poverty... why isn't god looking after them? Kids that lose both of their parents and have little to know family, where is god then??
How do you explain genetic mutations if god created absolutely every life form?
Where 'is' god, if god created the earth, did 'he' also create the entire solar system, universe and beyond??? How do we KNOW that god just clicked his fingers one day and decided he was going to 'make earth'? Where is the proof????

I'm a bit of a science person, I believe strongly in evolution. There is solid proof for that and if there's good solid proof, I'll believe it until proven, strongly, otherwise. I am willing to listen to opinions, but if there's not hard fast evidence supporting it, I won't... CAN'T believe it. The bible.... who wrote it? How do you KNOW some old bloke just decided one day to write a fancy book? I hope we're all aware that the bible has been re-written a number of times, because the so called 'original' was so entirely politically incorrect and supported torture methods for those who opposed the religion. Hmmmmm.
As for creation.... what's with all the fossil and DNA evidence laying around?? How come human DNA is 98% identical to chimpanzees and bonobo's?? How come there is fossil and DNA evidence showing various stages of human-like apes over millions of years?
How come 'god' isn't coming to the rescue to prevent enhanced global warming? Humans are destroying the earth and god isn't fussed in the slightest? And please, don't tell me enhanced global warming isn't happening. The scientists who are stating that it is all natural, if you look into it, are almost all funded by oil and mining companies. Funny that. Go check out Al Gore's "An inconvenient truth' and let me know in detail how he is totally incorrect if you believe that way :)

Why are homosexual people evil? Why is sex before marriage evil?? Why were left handed people deemed evil?

Once again, I did not intend this post to have a go at anyone who supports a religious view on life. Most of my family is religious and I can understand the concept, and as I originally stated, the morals are very good in theory. But where's the proof?
     
    04-01-2010, 11:14 AM
  #10
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
I see most of the stories in the Bible as parables. They have a moral to them, and give people an idea of how they're supposed to act.

Wow, I have never met another person that believed the way that I do before. I am with SR, I see the bible as more of a persons guide to living a good life and the stories are likely just that, stories. It is possible that they really happened and I won't argue that "No, it's all just a made up story", but that's just not how I believe.

I do think that there is a greater being out there that has a hand in all things but I don't put much stock in religion. There have been too many people over the last few million years that were content to kill innocent people because their "religion" said that it was okay. That is was "God's wish that we kill all heathens."

If anyone has seen the Chronicles of Riddick, most historical christian leaders remind me of the necromongers. They try to either convert or kill every human life. I believe what I believe and I don't want anyone trying to shove their opinions down my throat so why would I do it to someone else?
     

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