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        04-13-2013, 10:39 AM
      #21
    Trained
    <sigh> I see that even in the teenager I mentioned, Apachiedragon. It's very disheartening.
         
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        04-13-2013, 10:46 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    I totally agree that the school system is failing in their job to teach the next generation how to function in society. Knowing the language and how to comunicate effectively is important. Parents need to make sure their children are ready to move into their next roles as the school system wasn't meant to take their place. My parents checked my work every night and made sure I knew my lessons.
         
        04-13-2013, 10:51 AM
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    Green Broke
    ^Posted before I was done-bad computer! My other thought is that you would make an awesome teacher Paige. As another posted though-maybe a private school where the kids are motivated. I can't read a book that is poorly written, but when one just flows, I am sorry to finish it.
         
        04-13-2013, 11:11 AM
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    Genrally me spellin is OK. Me grammar sometimes is not so good. I were tawt rite in skool and me english teacher would be turnin in er grave if she were to reed some of the fings people rite.

    I am a teacher of riding, I long ago learnt that you cannot teach anyone anything unless they want to learn.

    Some years ago I attended a primary school on an open day. One young lad, eight or nine years, was busy drawing a dinosaur. I asked him if it was a Brontosaurus and was immediately told it was a Stegosaurus and told the difference in the two (He spelt them correctly too) yet his teacher told me that he was backward and hard to teach.

    I agree with the poor standards and here in the UK, many universities are complaining that new entrants are way below standard. Not just in English either.
    Exams have been dumbed down to get high passes. This is not to say that the entrants are not working hard but that they are being taught so that the school passes the governments stats not so they get a good wide education.

    Personally I disliked school. I found it boring most of the time. There were 38 of us in a class and although in the top stream, I found that many lessons were repeated over and over. Good teachers encouraged those that had grasped the lesson to go on to the next and set those that hadn't extra work until they did.

    A teacher plays a big part in a child's life and can not only influence their learning but also their future life. Now, with many families not believing in discipline, the teacher has more problems to deal with especially in primary school.

    My niece is just starting on teaching English. She wasn't sure if she wanted to teach primary of high and chose the latter because of the lack of discipline with many of the younger children. One mother, when told that her child had been punished for swinging on the curtains, said "I told the little bleeder that he wasn't to do that in school, he can do it at home."
    What hope is there with this sort of attitude?

    This mentioned niece disliked English as a subject until she had a new young teacher when al changed and she learnt to love it. At a parents evening my sister was attending with her younger daughter, this teacher was pointed out to my sister.
    Sister then went up to the young woman and introduced herself saying that she had not an appointment with her but just wanted to thank her for all she had done helping to change E's attitude to English.

    E was not pleased at her mother having spoken to the teacher but next day at the end of a lesson the teacher called E behind and said that she had been having a very bad time with parents either not turning up for their appointment or, moaning about how she was pushing them to hard. She said that she was seriously thinking about packing it in but then sis walked in and thanked her and that made it worthwhile.

    The fact that on TV and the radio there are a lot of badly speaking presenters. Regional accents I can take but, bad grammar grates hard.

    Not sure what can be done. Teachers have to learn that if a child does not learn when taught a certain way, to explain it in another.
    Long gone are the days when any subject was corrected with a red pen for grammar and spelling - that is now considered to be incorrect and makes the child depressed.

    Discipline needs to return and if a child is turned over to a school then it should be left to them to implement the rules without parents complaining.

    Until teaching is left to the teachers without interference of the governments laying down the rules then things will not change.
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        04-13-2013, 12:01 PM
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    ^Posted before I was done-bad computer! My other thought is that you would make an awesome teacher Paige. As another posted though-maybe a private school where the kids are motivated. I can't read a book that is poorly written, but when one just flows, I am sorry to finish it.
    That is one of the perks of living in Arizona. We had an abundance of charter schools (similar to private schools, but they are free to attend). I would definitely want to teach at a charter or private school. I never attended either, but I was a motivated student that loves to learn, so I learned a lot on my own. My mom told me a few years ago that if charter schools had been around when I was in school, she would have sent me to one.

    My son attends a charter school. He's nine-years-old and a third-grader. He is in advanced math, advanced science and advanced English. When my brother and his boys came to visit from Georgia, they have one boy who is a year older than my son and one who is a year younger. I was honestly impressed with how much more advanced my son was than either of his cousins.

    My niece (the one I mentioned before...I only have one) told me once that she would have LOVED it if I had been her English teacher. When I asked why, she said "Because I would have actually learned something in high school!"

    Foxhunter, I know exactly what you mean about not being able to teach kids who don't want to learn. The sad part is, it isn't entirely the kids' faults. Their parents may have hated school, so they refuse (often subconsciously) to instill a love of learning in their children. Or even worse, they just don't care or want to take the time to care.
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        04-13-2013, 12:18 PM
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    I know, right?!

    The only thing that I really get tripped up over (I'm an aspiring novelist) is writing out a character's thoughts. I had two college professors who were instructors for my Independent Writing: Fiction professors. They both gave me different rules on writing out a character's thoughts. One said use italics to denote the thought, the other said not to. To this day, I have seen it done both ways, so I've come to the conclusion that it is a personal preference.

    Tiny, I've noticed the excessive commas in posts written by some of our UK members on here. Not all of them, but quite a few of them.
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    Have you read 'The Handmaids Tale' by Atwood? Good example of speech without speech marks.
         
        04-13-2013, 12:22 PM
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    Trained
    Some places teach phonetic spelling. They actually encourage students to use it! I had a friend who asked me to proof read his paper - he was in the same community college I was at. I could not understand his writing until I read it out loud - then I understood it! He couldn't spell at all and spelled by sound.

    I think we should go back to when they would fail and even hold back a student who wasn't making it. All this new stuff where everyone's a special unique snowflake and is a winner is ruining people.
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        04-13-2013, 12:38 PM
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    Some places teach phonetic spelling. They actually encourage students to use it! I had a friend who asked me to proof read his paper - he was in the same community college I was at. I could not understand his writing until I read it out loud - then I understood it! He couldn't spell at all and spelled by sound.

    I think we should go back to when they would fail and even hold back a student who wasn't making it. All this new stuff where everyone's a special unique snowflake and is a winner is ruining people.
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    Did you know that in public schools, teachers are no longer allowed to grade/mark papers and assignments with red pen? It's because some parents complained that the red pen was demeaning to their kids. *facepalm*
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        04-13-2013, 01:10 PM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    Genrally me spellin is OK. Me grammar sometimes is not so good. I were tawt rite in skool and me english teacher would be turnin in er grave if she were to reed some of the fings people rite.
    You just made my eyes bleed! I've tried to write like you just did but can only get a couple words in before giving up, just can't do it.
         
        04-13-2013, 01:19 PM
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    My Mother is a retired court reporter who transcribed court cases at home. I remember sitting at her feet listening to "Did you beat the women to death?" (She verbally said quote, unquote) "uh-huh" spelling out you h dash h you h.
    I fret over comma placement constantly. I took several journalism classes and had planned on making that a career. Journalistic punctuation placement is different than normal. A list is e.g.; tobacco, firearms and drugs. The correct is; tobacco, firearms, and drugs. If you see me dropping a comma, that's why.
    As for blame on today's lax grammar, it's a full house. The school systems with its lack of funds, parents who have to work too many hours, or dependence on electronics by the young. I don't think we can say yes, that's what the problem is.
    ETA- My first typing teacher would be aghast at not placing 5 spaces before starting a new paragraph. Not goin there
         

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