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        04-14-2013, 12:37 PM
      #71
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    Originally Posted by smguidotti    
    That being said, I feel the education system is kinda of a "one size fits all" type thing which does not work.
    Quite the contrary. You are far too young to have come under a "one size fits all" public education system. Turn the clock back 50 years, and 90% of students were far better educated than today. It is true that the lower 10% did not receive close personal supervision and attention, however we have lowered our standards to the level of the minority at the expense of educating the majority. Math, science, and communication skills are appallingly low, and those that worship "modern" education methods are blind as bats to reality...the proof is in the pudding...
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        04-14-2013, 12:49 PM
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    Darrin, I completely agree that there are states out there that pay their teachers a decent wage. I know Oregon, Washington, and Alaska are among them (I know about Washington because I wanted to move there lol). However, if you look at their test scores, they are correspondingly higher than states where teachers are not paid well. Again, I use Arizona as a reference because I live here and know the numbers (well, not exact numbers). Arizona has one of the lowest test score averages in the country. We also have the second lowest-paid teachers in the country. Coincidence? I think not.

    Anrew, I couldn't agree more about the classics!! My son's favorite book is Treasure Island and has been since he was in the second grade. When I asked him if it was a simplified version, he acted offended and showed me his copy. It was the regular version. So, I bought him the Harry Potter books for Christmas (not exactly classics, but well-written nonetheless). He loves them and has read them twice (this was Christmas of 2011). When he was little (before he started school), I didn't have many kids' books in my library at the time), I used to read him Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. He had to ask what things meant a lot, but it did help him learn to figure out the meanings of words on his own (and how to look up words in the dictionary).

    I taught my niece to read, as well. Her teachers, her mom, and even my mom (the fourth grade teacher), had given up on teaching her to read. As a last ditch effort, my sister had me come stay with them over the summer (they lived about two hours away) to try to teach T how to read. I approached it similarly to how Foxhunter did, letting her choose what she wanted to try to read. Over that one summer, she not only learned to read, but developed a love of reading. That's why when I proof read her paper for her sophomore English class, I was appalled at how poorly written it was. Her spelling was fine, but her grammar, punctuation, and the use of text speak made me cringe. It made me realize that not always does a love of reading equate to the ability to communicate in writing effectively.
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        04-14-2013, 03:08 PM
      #73
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    If you look at all the costs associated w a school (construction, maintenance, transportation, salaries, meals, etc., etc.,.) and the total amount of money received from all sources for public schools (local, state, federal, grants, etc.,.), very few private schools even come close to receiving the same amount of funds as public schools do. We do not need to spend billions or even millions on studies to determine "how" to improve our schools when there are hundreds, if not thousands, of proven "templates" to simply observe. And, as far as foreign countries go - no country spends more on public education K-12 than the US. So, again - money ain't the problem.

    With respect to "the classics", most private schools have a "required reading list" for their students to complete that only includes the classics. This is not a "new and novel idea", it is what was most often practiced before education was removed from the public education system. I think it rather obvious which "approach" isn't broken.

    Parents deserve a lot of the credit w respect to failing school systems. Yes, the federal government is famous for ruining whatever it touches, but they couldn't have achieved such stellar levels of ineffectiveness in any given public school w/o the help and assist of parents. The current thinking seems to be that since some parents are too "something" (brain dead?) to get involved w their children, niether they nor their child is responsible for the child's behavior/inabilities at school. And, the public school system spends the lion's share of the money it recieves on these children (e.g., there are not too many grants out their for well behaved, fed, and cared for children that are operating at their grade level). I think a more productive approach would be to at least spend as much on the kids that have no "problems".
         
        04-14-2013, 04:07 PM
      #74
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    writeing english.

    Ok I will try harder as I do ramble on.
    Well I skipt school so I have no grades what so ever.
    My reading is 100% and my writeing was atroshous I will say that for it.
    Also my spelling is bad to so in life I think I have got through quite well.
    Some times when I look back I think I was dislexic as the truth is even my writeing was very poor and my spelling and my maths.
    My writeing has inproved I do a lot of reading so I think I have home schooled my self some part.
    How ever I do make mistakes I admit that.
    Thanks for reading and sorry for my long sentances.
    Michael.
         
        04-14-2013, 04:08 PM
      #75
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    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    And, as far as foreign countries go - no country spends more on public education K-12 than the US. So, again - money ain't the problem.
    According to statistics the US is not the highest per head for High School students.


    Bar Graph Map Correlations

    Showing latest available data.
    Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 Switzerland: $9,348.00 per student
    # 2 Austria: $8,163.00 per student
    # 3 United States: $7,764.00 per student
    # 4 Norway: $7,343.00 per student
    # 5 Denmark: $7,200.00 per student
    # 6 France: $6,605.00 per student
    # 7 Italy: $6,458.00 per student
    # 8 Germany: $6,209.00 per student
    # 9 Japan: $5,890.00 per student
    # 10 Australia: $5,830.00 per student
    # 11 Sweden: $5,648.00 per student
    # 12 Netherlands: $5,304.00 per student
    # 13 United Kingdom: $5,230.00 per student
    # 14 Israel: $5,115.00 per student
    # 15 Portugal: $4,636.00 per student
    # 16 Spain: $4,274.00 per student
    # 17 Ireland: $3,934.00 per student
    # 18 Greece: $3,287.00 per student
    # 19 Czech Republic: $3,182.00 per student
    # 20 Hungary: $2,140.00 per student
    # 21 Thailand: $1,177.00 per student
         
        04-14-2013, 04:56 PM
      #76
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    Foxhunter, the one district in my example above is over 14k per student. State average is still 12k per student. The general fund budget the state likes to hand out is 7k per student. So how accurate is that ranking? I really doubt my state isn't the only state that likes to play these number games.
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        04-14-2013, 05:26 PM
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    Darrin - just something I Googled!

    I agree that facts and figures vary depending on what Google throws up.
         
        04-14-2013, 05:53 PM
      #78
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    According to statistics the US is not the highest per head for High School students.


    Bar Graph Map Correlations

    Showing latest available data.
    Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 Switzerland: $9,348.00 per student
    # 2 Austria: $8,163.00 per student
    # 3 United States: $7,764.00 per student
    # 4 Norway: $7,343.00 per student
    # 5 Denmark: $7,200.00 per student
    # 6 France: $6,605.00 per student
    # 7 Italy: $6,458.00 per student
    # 8 Germany: $6,209.00 per student
    # 9 Japan: $5,890.00 per student
    # 10 Australia: $5,830.00 per student
    # 11 Sweden: $5,648.00 per student
    # 12 Netherlands: $5,304.00 per student
    # 13 United Kingdom: $5,230.00 per student
    # 14 Israel: $5,115.00 per student
    # 15 Portugal: $4,636.00 per student
    # 16 Spain: $4,274.00 per student
    # 17 Ireland: $3,934.00 per student
    # 18 Greece: $3,287.00 per student
    # 19 Czech Republic: $3,182.00 per student
    # 20 Hungary: $2,140.00 per student
    # 21 Thailand: $1,177.00 per student
    What is spent on public education overall is not limited to what is allocated per student per a given year. Do these figures include grants, construction costs, transportation, or "free meals", for example? My guess is - no. Notice, however, US students score pretty far below "number 3" in any subject.
    BTW...no country outspends the dollar amount the US spends on education.
         
        04-14-2013, 06:21 PM
      #79
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    I spent hours last summer helping a 10 yr old who was a bit behind in school. It's not that his parents didn't try. Some kids progress better with someone else. The work was mainly arithmetic and reading. He doesn't know how to read a regular clock because of all the digital. We worked on that as well.
         
        04-14-2013, 07:03 PM
      #80
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    Hey look, my name! How did I miss this thread? XD

    This looks like it has mostly been an adult conversational thread up until this point but I'm going to shove my nose into it anyways. I'm telling you though, that poem that was written made my head hurt, and my eyes want to bleed! I think it summed up my entire life. Haha.

    I honestly don't think that I am an exceptional student. Rather, I have had a lot of wonderful people that have been willing to help me, and an autoperfectionistic side that drives myself and others crazy from time to time. I went to a public kindergarten for one semester, and apparently my teachers were all freaking out because I was incapable of singing my ABCs in order or writing them correctly. They told my mom that I might be autistic or dyslexic, or both, and that I should be put into special ed as soon as possible. That, ofcourse, was when my mom decided to homeschool me.

    Most people thought that my mom was nuts, because she had barely completed highschool herself, and only 10% of my family even completed highschool on either side. She did it anyways. When she realized that I wasn't capable of learning to read and write 'normally' she concocted her on way for me to learn. We used dough to manually create my ABCs so that I could 'feel' them and learn that way, labeled everything in the house so that I could see the way it was written when I used it, and constantly used my new skills to apply them in our daily lives. When I would do my school work, she would refer to the way we used it, or how it felt, or how it sounded to remind me what was correct. The best thing she ever gave me out of my elementery and grade school years was the love for learning. It is what fuels me even now.

    Fast forwards to highschool, which I am currently in, and I do have to admit that I have to look a lot harder at things than most people do. I have to work my butt off to accomplish mundane tasks such as reading something for the class, or writing. Things don't just 'come' to me like they do when your average person learns to read, and nothing about my writing or my math skills (I am dyscaculate as well as dyslexic) is automatic. I still have to think about what a letter sound like, and feels like when I use it. I still have to think about whether I am using a short o' or a long o'. But I am in no way incapable.

    I struggle a LOT with normal curriculum (sp?) materials even now, which is very unfortunate considering that I am now what my friends call a "hybrid homeschooler." I take dual credit college courses, as well as Honors classes at a local PREP school for omeschoolers. These courses are designed for intelligent people with a knack for learning, and then there is me. I have learned after many years though, that just because I struggle does not mean that I am stupid, or incapable. Rather, I simply do not fit the manufactured cookie cutter shape that schools create. I'm sory of that 'odd ball' lumpy cookie that would typically be tossed out if caught at the manufacturing plant, dispite the fact that I 'taste' just as good as the others. Why? Because I am different, and in the world of industrialization, different is bad. That being said, I have accepted the fact that I am not a normal 'cookie' and I have learned to use different methods that make sense to ME, in order to make sense of thing. For example, I am EXTREMELY color oriented. Colors 'make sense' to me. I use colors to organize my thoughts on paper when I am writing, and my numbers when I am calculating. Does it take more work? Yes. Would most people be willing to put in that effort? I don't know. But it is possible. I am just grateful that I did not have parents or teachers who gave up on me, because if they had, I would just be another teenager that failed at writing. Because they took the time to teach me how to appreciate communication, and then proceeded to teach me how to appreciate writing as a form of communication...I not only am willing to put forth the effort to sound at least a little bit intelligent, I actually enjoy writing!

    As I'm sure many of you have noticed, I still make tons of silly little errors that I often cannot catch though. Oh, and for the record, I still abhore math. LOL


    When it comes to 'normal' schoolers in a 'normal' public school setting though, I really do feel bad for kids my age. I sympathize for those with learning disabilities like mine, because I know they haven't had the opportunity that I have. For example, I have a friend with some minor learning disabilities. The public schools just don't work for her though, and she has fallen through the cracks. While I am an 11th graders in AP Chemistry, she is in IPC. While I am taking classes such as government, financial ed, algebra II, and SAT prep Composition, she is taking 'fluffy' classes such as dance and fashion. I am dyscaculate and learning about pascals triangle, while she struggles at my dinner table to divide 6 by 2. The only difference I can find, is the classes that we take, and the people who teach them to us. IMO the fluff classes such as fashion, sewing class, break out dance class , etc- are worthless and should be removed. Yet instead of those classes being cut out, important things are being cut out. Another large problem is that those with honest learning disabilities such as my friend and myself tend to get lumped in with those that just don't care. And I can tell you this...not even the most motivated dyslexic in the world can learn with a bunch of slackers goofing off around them.

    But all of these problems that have been brought up by all of us necessitate change, and change is something that our world seems to be very against. Especially when it comes to government and finances, because everyone is so worried about what it in it for them, and how they are going to get it for the least cost to themselves. Anyone heard of the phrase TAANSTAFL?

    I'll stop blabbering now, but I will end with something that a classmate of mine asked just two days ago in Government, when we were discussing things like this.

    "People are always worried about how the government can help the people, and how the government can help the people. But my question to you is...how much of this do you think would go away if we would drop what is obviously not working...and the people helped the people?"
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