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        04-14-2013, 08:07 PM
    Maybe the issue of kids doing horribly in school has less to do with money issues than it does with kids just being flat out distracted by the likes of technology.

    I feel like my generation has a learned short attention span -- if that makes any sense -- In that most of my peers are so used to transferring/receiving information so fast via the internet which most can access constantly and readily in their hands (smart phones) that many kids/people can't sit still in a classroom with out getting distracted.

    I find that many people I know, including family members, give off this facade on the internet that they are people who give a crap about worldly topics because they 'liked' it on facebook but if you question those same people in person they just regurgitate what they see on the computer with no true understanding of what they just "shared".
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        04-14-2013, 08:08 PM
    Being a reader is a huge help in being a good writer. My Mother is a reader and read to me as a child. I think that's one of the gifts you can give as a parent, read to your child.
    Although I haven't picked up a book in years, I still read. For some reason, after being a 2-3 book a week reader, I just stopped. Every time I pick up a book, I get about half way through and lose interest. I'm not sure what's up with that. I blame it on old age and the internet
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        04-14-2013, 08:10 PM
    I only really chose to join this discussion because I am fascinated that Tinyliny and others have noticed that the British contributors to this forum use commas more than others. I am now going to go and glance at my journal to see if I'm one of the offenders.

    Charles Dickens is my personal run-on sentence criminal. That man could fill an entire paragraph with just one sentence, and an over-abundance of semi-colons. Maybe full stops were too expensive for all but the richest authors to use frequently?

    I marked some papers in our schools spell-a-thon last week and was surprised at the range of standards within each year group. The children who received parental literary support were obvious. And to my uneducated eyes, the children who appeared to be struggling with undiagnosed (or unsupported) dyslexia were also obvious.

    My son is now 7 years old and remains in the state schooling system because we have been lucky enough to live in two places with high quality, well funded, and well run schools. If I ever observe that he is suffering because of poor schooling I will take him private in a heartbeat. Sadly there are many children whose parents don't have that choice.
        04-14-2013, 08:30 PM
    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    "People are always worried about how the government can help the people, and how the government can help the people. But my question to you is...how much of this do you think would go away if we would drop what is obviously not working...and the people helped the people?"
    I enjoyed your post and give props to your mother. As far as the quote from a schoolmate, look at history. The elder George Bush, after having served as the two-term vice president under Ronald Reagan’s decimation of social programs, he discovered “compassionate conservatism” and delivered his 1988 Republican Convention speech as the presidential candidate, calling for a “thousand points of light” to deal with the devastation of social programs for which he and the plutocrats he represented were responsible. They expected private charities and individuals to step up and care for the poor. Unfortunately it didn't happen. I'm surprised your teacher didn't comment on that since it was government class.
    Sorry, didn't mean to stray into politics but history is history.
        04-14-2013, 08:58 PM
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    Without wanting to start a debate and risking taking over NorthernMama's thread, I'll just say that I agree. She actually did tell us about a few instances in which 'people help the people' did not work, though I don't think she used either of your specific sources. Very good point though. I think that my schoolmate's idea is one that theoretically could work, but because of many different components in the way people are at this moment in time, it doesn't work and can't work. It would take a lot of reformation to get to that point, if its even possible. In actuality though, it seems to me that it would take a lot of reformation in any part of our government, schooling system, economics, etc to get out of this rut and into something that works, and none of us seem to have a complete answer for it!

    However, I think 'people helping the people' CAN be applied to daily life in a less extreme level, such as parenting. Sometimes, small changes can lead to big reformations, as seen in history. It just takes determination, on both the part of the parent, the child, and those around them!
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        04-14-2013, 09:39 PM
    Yeah Endiku you are entirely correct. Problems in education systems are intimately entwined with problems throughout society more generally. I think the driving force behind it all is the reduction of the entire social world to economics; there have been careers made on discussing this stuff so I won’t bother to even try to encapsulate it in a nut shell. However, suffice to say, that when everything is reduced to quantifiable dollar terms, and rationalised on lines that prioritise aspects of elements of society, education for example, that are conducive economics over other aspects, like actual quality education, we are on a slippery slope to sh%* creek. That is to say, in this day and age not only is the cart put before the horse, the horse is considered entirely superfluous, and worse, unprofitable, and done away with. How to fix it? Who knows, whatever the answer it will mean scrapping neo-classical economics.
    It was interesting to read how your mother helped you with reading by making letters from dough; I figured it out by pretending I had my own language and had to teach myself English. I still get plenty of words wrong, and it gets really embarrassing when I say a word wrong when I am presenting a seminar paper, but I’m slowly sorting it out.
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        04-14-2013, 09:52 PM
    Michaelvanessa - thank you for contributing. Your post was slightly difficult to read, but it is apparent that you made extra effort to be clear. I don't know how to help you to continue your learning. All I can suggest is to use short thoughts -- don't try to get everything that's in your head on the screen too fast.

    Endiku -- huge, let me say: HUGE! Koodos to your mom. I knew my son was having unusual difficulties at a young age. Children's rhymes, Dr. Seuss books, the alphabet -- all were out of his learning area. I have been a teacher of various things at various times, but I just couldn't figure out how to teach my son. It was disheartening. If only I could have seen with different eyes. I knew he needed a different way to learn, but I couldn't figure out what he needed. By the time I found some help, he was already 14. Trying to teach a 14 year old to learn to read and write properly, when he's discovered the wonder of reading his own way, is... well... very difficult for the teen to accept.

    Both you and Andrew are two of many examples of people being able to succeed if they want to. I wish my son would want to... Ach - this is too sad for me. Next topic...

    Someone mentioned reading as a benefit to writing again. Again, I'll say it's only a limited aid. I found that out rather quickly with my son. When he finally started to read on his own with enjoyment I was so sure that his spelling would begin to improve as well. I was wrong. Very wrong. You can learn to read by whole word recognition and context. You can't learn to write that way.
        04-14-2013, 09:55 PM
    I am one of the best writers in my grade and the best writer in my english class. So that is pretty sad and people don't even talk to me anymore because I correct what they say too.
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        04-14-2013, 10:18 PM
    Both you and Andrew are two of many examples of people being able to succeed if they want to. I wish my son would want to... Ach - this is too sad for me. Next topic...

    Someone mentioned reading as a benefit to writing again. Again, I'll say it's only a limited aid. I found that out rather quickly with my son. When he finally started to read on his own with enjoyment I was so sure that his spelling would begin to improve as well. I was wrong. Very wrong. You can learn to read by whole word recognition and context. You can't learn to write that way.[/QUOTE]

    Don’t worry, for many years, throughout my school years from year three to year twelve I had given up. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to succeed, it was that I believed it was impossible for me to do so. I had been taught that I was dumb and taught to teach myself that I was dumb, and it is one of the things that I still hold bitter resentment towards my teachers for. It was the influence of others; one, the guy who taught me to deal with horses, and another well after I had left school that convinced me that perhaps I wasn’t so stupid after all.
    If you are there encouraging your son you are already giving him the basis from which to succeed, it might just take him a little longer, or he may have to find a way out of the ordinary to get there; but you telling him he can do it even if he thinks he can’t will be the best help he can get.
    As for the reading learning to write, well it helped me, probably not so much in the spelling department, but in other ways. What helped me a little with spelling though is learning grammatical rules I after E except after C for example and learning to assign my own consistent system for understanding the letters and their place in words, that one is my own language. From there it has been a long and slow struggle to learn to associate the correct pronunciation to words. In my head, the word I read may sound and look entirely different to how it actually sounds and looks, but through context and use of a dictionary, and strangely enough being forced to learn Latin roots in high school, I have learned to associate the correct meaning to my version of the word. This is the reason why I found being forced to read aloud in class in school so painful, I just couldn’t do it, is sounded like a foreign language to everyone else in the class, to me it made sense, it didn’t to anyone else. From there it is a matter of learning the English equivalent to the word in my language.
    I don’t know if that makes any sense. Anyway, just believing in your son and telling him he can get through it when he thinks he can’t will be a huge help to him.
        04-15-2013, 12:01 AM
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    If you know what to research, there really are a LOT of resources readily available. I recently stumbled upon a forum for dyscaculates that has vast amounts of knowledge that I have found to be helpful for my dyscaculia, as well as my dsylexia. I cannot link it because of HF rules, but could PM it to anyone interested, or you can just type in Dyscaculia forum. Dyslexia forum is great as well.

    As it turns out, there are many different ways to learn, just like there are many types of people. It is foolish of us to think that every person will learn the same. Some are visual, some are visual, some are kinetic, some are all three. And then there are some of us that are extra special, and have a totally unresearched way of learning.

    For example, I tend to believe that I am a synesthete. If you do not know what this is, wikipedia has a pretty sound definition. Because I use synesthesia to learn, I have integrated color into becoming a VERY large part of my learning. Every shade represents something different from me, and I can literally 'feel' and 'taste' a word when a color is linked to it. It sounds rediculous, I know. I had been using techniques that are common to synesthetes for years before knowing the proper term for it though, and once I realized that I just might be synesthetic, I began to research it myself and 'experiment.' As it turns out, using this new knowledge of my possible gift has helped me TREMENDOUSLY in the past year or two.

    Northernmama, perhaps your son has one of these, as we dyslexics and dylcaculics call them, "hidden talents." These hidden talents are very complex sometimes, and hard to discover, but I have come to realize that many of use do have them. Its quite remarkable actually, to find that there is more to us than what first meets the eye.

    On another note, someone mentioned that they call other people out on their bad grammar. I would like to say that this is probably the worst way to try to change someone. I have a few guys in particular who LOVE to correct my misspellings and errors, and I can tell you that while I am careful not to let them know, it really does irk me. It is one thing to kindly say 'oh, by the way- I think it is spelled like this ____' but another to constantly nit pick or run around on FB, for example, astrixing every single thing. I love when someone helps me improve, but only if it is in a loving or at least constructive manner.

    Of course, most of the guys that I know that bother me about it don't even know that I'm dyslexic. I'm picky about who I tell at first, because I don't want to be judged by some silly label. I'm a lot more than just a person that has a hard time spelling. I also feel like people wouldn't push me to be the best that I can possibly be if they thought there was something 'wrong' with me because they would think I'm just doomed. Its sad, but its true.

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