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#1 ·
I can't be the only one tired of hearing about him....So he is transforming himself into a woman....big whoop!! He still has his bits and pieces, he is still a male as far as I am concerned. He will always be a male, he can't have a baby, he can't have a period, he can't do anything a real woman can or has done. This is news worthy?!
 
#42 ·
Bruce Jenner was a hero of mine in the 1976 Olympics when he won the gold medal in the modern decathlon. That event is a HUGE thing, where you have to compete in TEN track and field events to win. these events are;


Day 1
100 metres
Long jump
Shot put
High jump
400 metres


Day 2
110 metres hurdles
Discus throw
Pole vault
Javelin throw
1500 metres

It takes a heck of an athlete to win this. I watched almost every event hoping he would win. He was such a handsome rascal.





I think this makes him an excellent spokeswoman for this situation. To show that you can be athletic and successful......but still be supremely unhappy with what life has granted you.
 
#44 ·
While I cannot speak from personal experience, I can definitely say that sometimes, that's just how it goes. I have a close friend who's mum and dad were married 20+ years (3 kids). The friend's mum was aware for a large portion of the marriage that he was not into women. They stayed together because while he was not physically attracted to women, he loved his wife and family and she loved him. They are now divorced, and both remarried, yet both new families remain on great terms.
 
#46 · (Edited)
It is my opinion, same as what others said is theirs. I may not like others opinions or views, but I respect that they said it and responded. Not going to sit here and say someone is a "transphobe" or what not, nor am I going to call names, that isn't right in a debate or a group airing their views.

And just because Bruce looks like a woman and took a female's name, he STILL has a penis...and his DNA will always be male...

Courageous? No...courage is a fire fighter or EMT running into a burning building to rescue a person, courage is dying with dignity when you know there is no other option and doing so with grace, courage is a soldier fighting over seas for our freedom, courage is a battered woman leaving her abusive husband/boyfriend and finding it in herself to stand up and say no more. Those are some examples of courage....
 
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#47 ·
Well, when Bruce was male, he was celebrated for being a great athlete, good businessman.....

Now that she is a woman, all they can talk about is her looks.....and her age.....

Welcome to being a woman in America. Will you enjoy being objectified in a way you never were before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE2_4yt0Aow


The video speaks.....
 
#48 ·
This was a really well written article:
https://emilysuzanne11.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-hero/

June 2, 2015
Bruce Jenner Is Not A Hero

I generally try to steer clear of controversial issues on here. Most are so deeply embedded in presuppositions that writing about them generally just generates more anger and frustration than meaningful discussion. However, I never want to shy away from speaking something that needs to be said even if I know it is not something people want to hear. So, I want to talk about Bruce Jenner.


Today, Bruce Jenner appeared on the cover of Vanity Fair, dressed as a woman and introducing himself to the world as “Caitlyn Jenner.” You see, he has decided that he is a woman and that by saying it and probably some very extensive surgery, he can make it so. In today’s world, we think gender is something we get to choose, like our career path or our clothes. So, people across the nation have lauded him as a hero. Certainly, this is the current opinion of the masses, but I have to say it. The emperor has no clothes and Bruce Jenner is not a woman.


You can tell me that there is a difference between gender and sex, that Bruce was born with a male body and a female soul, but I would ask where did he get this soul? If there is no God, we are all nothing more than raw matter, we have no souls. If, however, we do have souls, there must be something more than the material. There must be something spiritual and if there is something spiritual, there must be a God who gave us these spirits, but if there is a God, would He make the mistake of putting a female soul in a male body? How can we know? We can know by what He tells us in His word. “Male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27) and He does not make mistakes, but does everything perfectly with love and wisdom.


We seem to want to erase the idea of gender and reinforce it all at once. We don’t want to have to conform to gender stereotypes. We don’t want to be put into categories and yet we want to be able to transfer ourselves by self-declaration from one category to another. We are so in love with our rebellion against God that we cannot see the absurdity and inconsistency of it all.


You may scoff at me. You may call me close-minded because I have allowed my religious beliefs to (gasp!) affect my judgments of propositions such as “Bruce Jenner is a woman trapped in a man’s body.” But if being open-minded means unquestioningly accepting anything and everything because it is progressive or popular, then I want no part of it. If you think I view the world from a Christian perspective and reject things that, based on that world view and common sense, are absurd, I will unabashedly and unapologetically agree.


If you don’t see things from the same Christian world view that I do, we probably do not agree and that is no surprise, but I must insist on one thing. Bruce Jenner is not a hero. A hero is someone who has done something brave or noble, who has sacrificed for others. Bruce Jenner has done none of these things. He is a man who has posed in women’s clothing on the cover of a magazine, garnering excessive media attention. What’s more he has waited to do so until the optimum moment when he was most sure to receive praise and acceptance. Heroes risk much and gain little. Bruce Jenner has risked little and gained much. I am sure there are many people out there who do things to deserve the title of “hero,” but Bruce Jenner is not one of them. He is not a hero and he is not a woman. He is what we all are: lost, sinful, and desperately in need of Jesus. I pray he finds Him.
 
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#49 · (Edited)
Some of you are far too young to remember Renée Richards. She was one of the first transgender women to come out and demand that she be treated as a woman. She was a professional tennis player back in the 1970s.

Transgender people have been around since humanity crawled out of the muck. As someone else stated, medical science has now advanced to the point where their outsides can match their inner identities.

Some of you astonish me with your hatred and bigotry. I thought the younger generations were supposed to be more open and accepting of gender reassignment, homosexuality and all the other myriad ways humans identify themselves.

Seems it's us older folks who understand and believe in live and let live. Maybe it's because we've seen and been through so much in our lives, and realize that everyone deserves to live peacefully as they see fit, as long as it doesn't involve hurting others.

Caitlyn isn't hurting any of you, and her gender has no affect on you at all.
 
#50 ·
Grey, So if Caitlin goes through a surgery to be outfitted with a vagina and breasts then she will count as a woman?

I don't get why people care... Whether or not she calls herself a man, a woman, or a butterfly really shouldn't be of any consequence to anyone else, particularly no one on this site.
 
#52 ·
Nope...Bruce is Bruce and always will be Bruce because his DNA will never change...

Yes, live and let live and don't invite everyone into your home to know every move you make, say, breath, do, or sleep with. There is a big difference. Don't want people to say something negative, don't share it with the world because not everyone will agree.

That is called an opinion....everyone is entitled to it regardless of whether we agree or not. Doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong, nor does it mean I need to be called names that are just not true.
 
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#54 ·
I don't think I am offended...I have already said I am tired of hearing about his new life....to me personally this is not newsworthy....but then again, I care more about real world issues....
 
#80 ·
I have already said I am tired of hearing about his new life....
You're tired of hearing about "his" new life so you started a thread about it. Because you will definitely not hear more about it that way. It's a great way to distance yourself *sarasm*


to me personally this is not newsworthy....
Then don't watch programs about it. Don't open and read articles about it. Don't talk about it. Hit 'ignore' on facebook threads. Don't start Horseforum threads about it.

It is only a part of your life if you let it be. Instead of distancing yourself, you jumped in thigh deep and then started crying about how it was being pushed on you.


but then again, I care more about real world issues....
Like it or not, this is a real world issue. In the end, this isn't about the Kardashians or any other celebrity, it's about the transgender community, their acceptance (or lack thereof) and how you treat humans who are different then you. It's about a large portion of the population being ok deigning other humans the basic rights they enjoy every day because they are different. Caitlyn has merely highlighted this issue by coming out as a woman.
 
#58 ·
I read about those yes....to their parents they were worthy....

Newsworthy to me is what our soldiers are doing, what support they receive. What is our government doing? Who is running for presidency and what is their background. What is the price of corn, beef, things that effect a farm, that relate to me personally. That is just the tip of the iceberg. Just because I personally have no use for what I view as not news worthy doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

Again, just because my view doesn't agree with you or anyone else doesn't mean it isn't valid....
 
#60 ·
Were going to have to agree to disagree..I am NOT going to get into a ******* contest with you because my idea of news worthy and yours differ.
 
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#65 ·
It doesn't bother me if hes want to become shes or shes want to become hes but after watching Bruce's interview with Diane Sawyer it did make me wonder if he was just doing this for the attention. In the interview he said he's never been attracted to men, loved his wives, had no problems sexually, and a few other things that added to that thought and I can't specifically remember now. All in all he sounded more like a man who enjoys cross dressing than he did a transgender.

I will say I haven't looked into it anymore than that interview so there could be other things that weren't covered, said or were edited out.
 
#66 ·
I dislike these reality shows and never bother to watch them. They are not 'reality' at all.

I have been Chanel hopping and watched a few minutes or, fallen asleep and woken and one is on. When you get the 'real' housewives and see the women I have to wonder - not many housewives I know of spend their time bitching and drinking, in the beauty salons etc. they are rushing around some holding down a job, caring for the home, driving children to various activities, holding down a job, they don't have time for three hour luncheons or the energy or money to attend the expensive charity events.

Haven't a clue who this man/woman is. He is not the first to transgender nor will he be the last. Seems from what has been said that he is just making money from it.
 
#67 ·
What some of you fail to realize is that gender identity is completely separate from sexuality. Gays and lesbians are comfortable with their genders, they're just not attracted to the opposite sex.

Being transgender means the person feels their GENDER is wrong, not their sexuality. Caitlyn has said she's attracted to women, and that's not going to change. So there's something else for people to get up in arms about; a transgender lesbian.

As far as being entitled to your opinion, that is untrue. You're entitled to an INFORMED opinion, which means actual research and at least a rudimentary understanding of the issues. No one is entitled to remain ignorant and call it an opinion.
 
#68 ·
I am so sick of hearing about this, what a laughing stock our country has become to other countries. The worst is ESPN giving him the courageous award. Nothing courageous compared to others fighting for their lives and continuing to live despite their staring at death's door. I don't give a rat's behind whether people believe they are a man or woman, but there are more important world issues to worry about. Let him go to the middle east and see how accepting they are!
 
#78 ·
What isn't courageous about Caitlyn's transition? You say what's courageous is people living whilst staring at deaths door... do you realize what the suicide rate is for transgender people? And if you're one of those who think suicide is a manifestation of weakness... do you know what the homicide rate is? How many transgender people are MURDERED for being transgender (or how many gays are murdered for being gay, etc). The average lifespan of a transgender person is 30 - 32 years. This IS an important world issue. People are killing themselves and being killed because the USA and Canada (and other Westernized countries) are NOT accepting of transgender people. Why? Is it because there's a lack of representation and a surplus of ignorance? I'm a firm believer that ignorance breeds violence and while Caitlyn may not be the ideal spokesperson of the transgender community, her visibility IS a big deal.

I have a friend who, whilst in high school, identified publicly as a female because that's what was on his documentation. After he turned 18 he began the official transition, and now identifies as a man, including on paper. We lived and went to school in an upper middle class neighbourhood, as a CHILD he was hospitalized multiple times because he was jumped and beaten in his own neighbourhood. He couldn't use the bathrooms at school because the boys would harass him, and he didn't feel comfortable using the womens' bathroom. Gym class was a nightmare because how was he supposed to use the locker rooms? And you try to tell me that transgender people aren't courageous...


I guess that eventually this will just become what it is and that's that? I totally support LBGT, I am happy that caitlyn has come out to be who she truly is and is a spokesperson for the transgender community. Reality is though that this doesn't effect anyone's lives so why bother getting upset about it?

It may not affect your life directly, but Caitlyn's public transformation affects many people including the rest of the transgender community who are severely lacking in the department of transgender public figures.
 
#71 ·
I don't have TV. For more than ten years. And, I'm weary of hearing about this fellow.

What he chooses to do in private, with his privates, should be private!

My question is: What is the fascination with celebrities? They contribute NOTHING beyond a little entertainment. Beyond that, why anyone cares what they wear, where they go, or what their opinions are on anything, is truly beyond me.
 
#72 ·
I skipped through some of the posts but i would like to give me 2 cents worth.

I have a friend who is transgender she went male to female. I have known this person for maybe 7 years ? All of that time she was man. She came out last year and we were so happy for her as this is obviously a huge deal. Don't get me wrong it was hard to understand and adjust to sometimes we would have problems with what to say and sometimes it would be uncomfortable when she came with us to the ladies room. But eventually it just became what it was end of story.

I guess that eventually this will just become what it is and that's that? I totally support LBGT, I am happy that caitlyn has come out to be who she truly is and is a spokesperson for the transgender community. Reality is though that this doesn't effect anyone's lives so why bother getting upset about it?
 
#73 ·
Some of the replies in this thread really shock me. Before making a definitive statement that XX=female and XY=male, we should look at a few of the different issues that can happen. XX male syndrome. According to GreySorrel's definition, they would not be true men, as they are sterile. Yet, they wouldn't be female either, since they still have their male bits, despite having breasts. What would you call them, GreySorrel? Would they be the gender they appear to be, male, or the gender they are DNA? Would they use the men or the women's restroom?

Or Klinefelter syndrome, also known as XXY. The men affected are again sterile, with breasts. In both cases, they can be 'fixed' to look like 'normal' men, but that would be going against God's plan for them, wouldn't it?

Also diverting from the standard XY, is XYY. Phenotypically identical to 'normal' men, but their DNA is different, so therefore, not male.

I guess it boils down to, there is not only two genders, even if we just go into the physical possibilities, and only looking at DNA. When the mind is brought in, even more possibilities appear.
 
#81 ·
I don't follow celebrity news, I don't even own a TV, but if Bruce Jenner transitioning to Caitlin Jenner makes just one scared little boy look up and for once feel that he's not alone, that he's not wrong then I think having this as a news article is worth it.

It might not mean much to people, but on average about one in ten high school students attempts suicide. For transgender people one in two people have attempted suicide before they're 20. Having one celebrity transition could actually give people hope.
 
#82 ·
Let's first recognize that Bruce Jenner is still Bruce Jenner. He is undergoing a slow transformation, but to date he is simply a man dressed as a woman on the cover of Vogue. He hasn't legally changed his name nor has he changed his gender.
What he has done is bring attention to the decision making process that so many people in our society either openly accept or live in fear of. He should be applauded for that whether he continues along his own path or not.
 
#86 ·
How is this not newsworthy? I think gender identity is a BIG thing for the news right now. Kids/Teens and even adults are harassed on a daily basis because of gender identity. People are committing suicide daily because of these things.

By bringing it to the front page of the news is helping open peoples eyes to the struggles of gender identity.

Is it not said that if you are not happy with who you are, do something to change it? Is that not exactly what Caitlyn has done? And by doing so she is showing others who have the same identity struggles that it is okay to come out and be happy about who they want to be.

The closed mindedness of some people here makes me seriously sick. Though it in no way surprises me. To those offended by being called bigots, well i'm sorry but that is exactly what you are being.
 
#89 ·
The closed mindedness of some people here makes me seriously sick. Though it in no way surprises me. To those offended by being called bigots, well i'm sorry but that is exactly what you are being.
Not sure why it is considered bigoted by anyone if a person objects to a celeb dominating the news.

I consider starvation, epidemics, war and peace to be more newsworthy than anything about Jenner. Unless he can solve starvation, cure epidemics, stop wars and create peace for all.

But, my disgust with the obsession with anything celeb, isn't limited to Jenner. I would rather gender issues, and any other world problem, be presented by everyday people and supported by well-known scientific persons who are knowledgeable and credible in the area in question. Not pop stars.

The obsession with, and credence given, pop stars is so very odd.

Study something serious, for goodness sakes. Get beyond sound bites and photo ops. Dig deeper. Feed the brain!
 
#87 ·
As a decathlon winning athlete, Jenner would have, at that time and a long time afterwards, been under a lot of pressure to be a "guy". Winning this means sponsors jump on the bandwagon and turn the athlete into a multi millionaire. To confess he felt he was a woman, the sponsors would have dumped him like a hot potato. I remember gays feeling pressured entering into heterosexual relationships but it wasn't who they were. Same with star hockey and football players only nowadays the leagues wouldn't dare dump them.
 
#88 ·
Now what does that tell you about his true character? His "coming out" has nothing whatsoever to do with helping any cause but his own. As long as the big bucks were rolling in as a male athlete, he was fine with staying in the proverbial closet.
 
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