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    05-18-2012, 09:33 AM
Romney standing up to Super-PAC.

I may be a democrat but I can appreciate any candidate that stands up to unethical practices in their own party.
It seems that a Political Action Committee was going to run an ad linking Obama to Rev. Wright to exploit fears among evangelical voters.
Romney disavowed the ad just as McCain did in the 08 election.
IMO Romney just scored some points with moderate voters who are already tired of the accusations of Obama being a muslim and non citizen. Way to go Romney. Shalom
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    05-18-2012, 10:26 AM
I have mixed emotions on that. While I don't like mud slinging, I also don't think it should just be forgotten and swept under the rug that Obama attended and supported a racist church for 25 or so years, and stepped away from it only because he was running for President. What if the shoe were on the other foot and Romney had attended a white supremist church for 25 years? I never was one to think Obama is a muslim, but he is obviously a racist and that is something I take into consideration in my assessment of him.

I just find it both ironical and hypocritical that Democrats, who profess to be the party of equality, nominated, elected, and support a racist.

Again, while I disdain mud slinging, I absolutely do not consider evaluating facts as unethical. Facts are facts, and in this case there is no spin involved...if you or I were in church or temple and listened to the church leader spout that crap we would walk out and never go back - we wouldn't continue listening to it and certainly wouldn't let our children listen to it...
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    05-18-2012, 10:37 AM
Funny how people who claim to be mental health professionals are so willing to minimize other people for their beliefs. Do you think there is an "evangelical" out there who doesn't already know about Rev. Wright? Do you really think that "evangelicals" are just a bunch of worry warts who believe everything they see in a political ad? Why do you think it's okay to talk down to conservative christians but you want to build up inmates and other scum, emotionally? "Those dumb ole evangelicals will believe anything". How many "evangelicals" do you think were going to vote for Obama, anyway? Do you really think that's who they were targeting? You watch too much tv.

Although, I think where someone attends "church" is absolutely RELEVANT, I'm not going to vote for Obama because he is a Marxist. He is anti american. He pads the pockets of special interests in the name of "stimulous". He is a race baiter. He likes to play class warfare. Yes, the great unifier has been the most divisive person in my memory. I loathe Romney and still may vote for Gary Johnson but this putting people into categories and dividing them HAS TO STOP. People are individuals and have the right to have their own thoughts and opinions. I think Romney has no moral conviction, politically and will change on any issue to pander to what he thinks is popular at the time. We have that guy in the white house already..........
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    05-18-2012, 11:14 AM
Bearkiller I have not disparged any evangelicals with my post.
I simply stated that the ad was going to be used to exploit the fears of that block of voters. Just like claiming Obama is a muslim.
I did not say anyone was stupid or simple as your post claims.
I am pretty certain that the revelation by Obama about same sex marriage is certain to energize the gay community.
I also think that Romney doesn't want to use the Rev Wright and bring religion into the race because of how some people feel about Mormans being a cult. He is correct in doing this. Shalom
    05-18-2012, 11:24 AM
Faceman I fail to see where he is a racist.
I also think that the Rev Wright, who I have heard speak at an AIDS function, found a national audience when Obama became a candidate.
No, I would not attend a temple where intolerance is allowed.
The Rev Wright is not Farrakan, his message has for the most part been very inclusive and progressive when other religions and races have been discussed. Shalom
    05-18-2012, 12:01 PM
Exploit the fears? Exactly my point. How many "evangelicals" are going to vote for Obama, anyway. The ad isn't targeted at evangelicals. It's targeted toward uneducated moderates who can't think for themselves. I think the ad should run. Religion is fair game.

I do agree 100% with you on the Mormon thing, though. They go through alot to cloud their history/beliefs.
    05-18-2012, 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Faceman I fail to see where he is a racist.
I also think that the Rev Wright, who I have heard speak at an AIDS function, found a national audience when Obama became a candidate.
No, I would not attend a temple where intolerance is allowed.
The Rev Wright is not Farrakan, his message has for the most part been very inclusive and progressive when other religions and races have been discussed. Shalom
Oh, come on, are not being logical at all. Obama and family attending that church for 25 years is ABSOLUTELY the same as me and my family attending KKK meetings for 25 years. Would you say if I had done that I was not a racist? Of course you wouldn't. Hatred and preaching death to whites is no different than hatred and preaching death to blacks...both are racist. This double standard that liberals use is really annoying. If something is wrong it is wrong.

For liberals to try and defend Obama's proven racism is not only futile folly, but destroys any credibility they might have. Not only is his background racist, but his policies since taking office as President have been racist, albeit more subtle than in his church. Why do you think he is known as the food stamp President? Why do you think he wants to take from the rich and give to the poor? Do you honestly think if blacks as a socioeconomic group had the money and whites were the poorest socioeconomic group that he would do the same? Right...

The only defense librerals have is to point to Romney's religion and intimate he is as bad as Obama. If anyone is not familiar with the LDS historical philosophy concerning blacks, do a little googling - it's not hard to find. However, at least the LDS church changed it's position in 1978, but that is rather late in the game. I'm not saying Romney or any Mormon is a racist - I'm just saying that is the only option the Democrats have to at least partially offset Obama's racism.

I just love the way Democrats shut their eyes to the indescretions of their own. It's OK that Obama is a racist because he is black and a Democrat, but the Dems would raise heck if he were a white Republican racist. It was OK that Clinton was playing with cigars in the White House on the taxpayer's dime because he was a Democrat, but they would have screamed bloody murder if he had been a Republican. Not that Republicans don't do similar things, but not nearly as in-your-face blatant.

Sorry, but I think Obama's racism should be a considered a factor in the election, and I think it is disgusting that we have to be so dang politically correct and only whisper about it in private. Again, if the shoe were on the other foot, the Dems would make it the major issue in the election...

ETA - I had missed your comment about why Romney might not be using the religion card, and I agree, although for the reason I mentioned above rather than the Mormon religion being a "cult", which I think is a silly way to look at the LDS church - it is well established and widely accepted...
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    05-18-2012, 10:56 PM
Bearkiller, In Texas last year the Speaker of the House is a Jew. Many self proclaimed evangelicals made it very clear that his religous beliefs were not acceptable. They needed a "real believer" for the job.
The ad in question was aimed at those who claim to be evangelicals.
Both McCain and now Romney have declined. Shalom
    05-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Faceman the Rev Wright is a very progressive and outspoken member of the clergy.
I do have a problem with things that he has said in the last few years.
Especially some questionable things about Jews and Israel.
Before that I have known about his work with AIDS, support of same sex marriage, and minorities. He is prone to say things that are inflamatory and bombastic to make his point. Just as jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and many national and local minority leaders do.
That doesn't make them the Nation of Islam or the KKK by any means.
I did have a big problem with Clinton's personal relationship but I do have a bigger one with those that were self righteous while doing the same thing themselves. Now that was laughable.
I do not buy into Obama being a racist anymore than I do the same charge against Bush.
One of the reasons they call him the Food Stamp President is his race IMO.
Obama's extended family is very diverse racially . He is a Biracial man.
The charge of being a racist I find to be without any merit and another distraction from the issues at hand. Shalom
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    05-19-2012, 04:35 PM
This is Rev. Wright's church

Trinity - About us

And this is their About Us statement and link to their Black Value System.

"Our History
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
Read the Black Value System Here."

Now substitute the word "white" for "black" and tell me you wouldn't call it a racist church.

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