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        08-20-2012, 10:47 PM
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    And some exclude people whose parents weren't in the armed services during Viet Nam. And some excluse all but Irish-Americans.

    Take your pick. Scholarships are generally targeted toward a particular group of people.
    No argument from me, there is everything in the spectrum one can imagine...except one. The statisitcal odds of this exception being a "random" anomaly is far closer to zero than is winning the lottery...but, hey, it could be.
         
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        08-21-2012, 10:33 AM
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    Well, I will have to respectfully agree to disagree b/c our perspectives appear to differ to greatly. I take everyone as an individual and resent ever being judged as anything other than on an individual basis. If I am not as talented in a given area, to bad for me – I do not want or deserve special treatment. If I am equally as talented - toss a coin.

    To allow the statistical per capita income differences between races to determine any individual kid’s educational opportunities is wrong.

    Like I said, my displeasure isn’t with those that want to exclude whites from their scholarship funds; rather, it is w the fact that the society effectively excludes individuals from attending college b/c of their race, and their race alone, by ensuring virtually all race based scholarships exclude whites. And, society collectively feels it would be racists to do otherwise!

    I don't find sacrificing one kid's future any more acceptable than murdering "just one" person for the "betterment" of anything.

    At some point someone has to raise the BS flag, so…. Consider it raised!
    Again, I agree with you when it comes to public funds. But honestly, I can give my money to whomever I want...that is my right. But you are trying to dictate who people can give their money to. You are basically a conservative, but dictating where our personal money goes is a liberal concept, as in Obama seeking to redistribute the wealth, so your position on this, at least where private funds are concerned, is a paradox.

    I fully understand where you are coming from, but the fact that I and others CAN establish whites-only scholarships if we choose to do so renders the fact that there may not be any whites-only scholarships moot...
         
        08-21-2012, 01:00 PM
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    Again, I agree with you when it comes to public funds. But honestly, I can give my money to whomever I want...that is my right. But you are trying to dictate who people can give their money to. You are basically a conservative, but dictating where our personal money goes is a liberal concept, as in Obama seeking to redistribute the wealth, so your position on this, at least where private funds are concerned, is a paradox.

    I fully understand where you are coming from, but the fact that I and others CAN establish whites-only scholarships if we choose to do so renders the fact that there may not be any whites-only scholarships moot...
    And, I agree w you...dictation over where and to whom private funds can be given in the form of scholarships should never be allowed. I suppose I am an idealist more so than a conservative b/c to me it would be "ideal" if entities did not have to fear the extreme, costly, and vicious attacks that would be exacted on them if they created a whites only scholarship fund, and even more "unrealistic" of me to feel society should be able to "add" the total dollar amount of race based scholarships available that exclude whites - and reject and oppose such attacks. There are many other instances in history where fear dictated people's behavior - not the law. In many of those instances it took courage to do what was right b/c people were, then, also afraid they might be attacked or lose business.

    As a measure of the fear in this case, if it is true that courage is not the absence of fear but the ability to overcome it....then the level of fear must be extreme.

    I just want balance in the universe, is that too much to ask for?
         
        08-21-2012, 01:17 PM
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    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    More interesting, there have been a few tiny (in dollar amount) scholarships that were, in fact, for whites only – all came under serious fire.
    THIS is the problem. It isn't that scholarships are available to members of a certain race (though honestly I wish they wouldn't have those stipulations at all), it's that they aren't allowed to be available exclusively to ONE certain race (white) and it's fine and dandy for any other race.

    I realize that, in history, whites in this country haven't been persecuted like other races, but we are NEVER going to get to a position of "equality" by trying to turn the tables and give other races special privileges over whites. It only creates resentment.

    I remember being a middle class, heterosexual white girl looking for college scholarships. According to the government, my family should've been able to afford to send me to college, but they definitely could not. I discovered that they only way there would be fewer scholarships available to me was if I was a middle (or upper) class white BOY, since there were a few scholarships exclusively for females. Most of those were for lesbian females, though.

    I had worked my butt off in school and graduated in the upper 5% but that meant nothing because of how small my class size was (33 students), and it was apparently considered not very impressive to finish high up in a small class.

    In the end, I ended up attempting to hold down a full time job plus full time school and ended up dropping out just a few classes short of a degree because I just couldn't handle the stress. Maybe I should've pretended to be lesbian.
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        08-21-2012, 02:07 PM
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    Nikelo, your story is all to frequent, and it is a direct result of the omission of whites from all race based scholarships. I, for one, hear you! I hope it can be rectified.

    And, your statement,

    "I realize that, in history, whites in this country haven't been persecuted like other races, but we are NEVER going to get to a position of "equality" by trying to turn the tables and give other races special privileges over whites. It only creates resentment."

    I couldn't agree more!!! Any 17-18 year old today was born in or around 1994, 1995. WHAT "act of persecution" did they commit to deserve persectution? Since the answer is "none" - I can only conclude that persecution is no less acceptable today than it has ever been. It is either good, or it is not.
         
        08-21-2012, 02:35 PM
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    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    And, I agree w you...dictation over where and to whom private funds can be given in the form of scholarships should never be allowed. I suppose I am an idealist more so than a conservative b/c to me it would be "ideal" if entities did not have to fear the extreme, costly, and vicious attacks that would be exacted on them if they created a whites only scholarship fund, and even more "unrealistic" of me to feel society should be able to "add" the total dollar amount of race based scholarships available that exclude whites - and reject and oppose such attacks. There are many other instances in history where fear dictated people's behavior - not the law. In many of those instances it took courage to do what was right b/c people were, then, also afraid they might be attacked or lose business.

    As a measure of the fear in this case, if it is true that courage is not the absence of fear but the ability to overcome it....then the level of fear must be extreme.

    I just want balance in the universe, is that too much to ask for?
    No - it is most certainly not too much to ask for...
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        08-21-2012, 06:13 PM
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    Are there public funds in university as well? (for undergrads)

    I had fellowship for 2 years, but it came from the public (research) fund. I'm not sure if they distinguished by race or gender (from the list of names I saw didn't look like).
         
        08-21-2012, 06:35 PM
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    Are there public funds in university as well? (for undergrads)

    I had fellowship for 2 years, but it came from the public (research) fund. I'm not sure if they distinguished by race or gender (from the list of names I saw didn't look like).
    I am not up to speed on public funds. In TX they have well established "public funding" for state universities - but I believe it goes more for structures and maintenance than for financial assistance. I may be completely wrong about that.

    Many scholarships make no reference at all to race or gender. When it gets to those available only at the junior/senior level - the game changes a bit from what I can tell. Grad school does have a lot of minority funding, but it does not appear there are as many. Basically, if you are a black or hispanic high school senior, you can find financial assistance to put you through college.
         
        08-21-2012, 07:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    I am not up to speed on public funds. In TX they have well established "public funding" for state universities - but I believe it goes more for structures and maintenance than for financial assistance. I may be completely wrong about that.

    Many scholarships make no reference at all to race or gender. When it gets to those available only at the junior/senior level - the game changes a bit from what I can tell. Grad school does have a lot of minority funding, but it does not appear there are as many. Basically, if you are a black or hispanic high school senior, you can find financial assistance to put you through college.
    Interesting. I've seen financial aid office in my university, but I never looked into it. I'd think they help some (since it's a public univ).

    With graduate study it's usually easier to get money (of course depending on department and specialization, clearly not with all), because you can work as teaching or research assistant or even get a fellowship. The money basically pays your tuition plus you get a little to live (and univ provides insurance and such).
         
        08-21-2012, 08:19 PM
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Interesting. I've seen financial aid office in my university, but I never looked into it. I'd think they help some (since it's a public univ).

    With graduate study it's usually easier to get money (of course depending on department and specialization, clearly not with all), because you can work as teaching or research assistant or even get a fellowship. The money basically pays your tuition plus you get a little to live (and univ provides insurance and such).
    Actually, if I were handing out money for scholarships, I would be more inclined to hand the biggest money out to undergrad 3rd and 4th year. If a student excells in the first two years, w few exceptions, the only thing that could keep them from graduating is finances. Ditto graduate school. Today, college is far more expensive than it has ever been, and from what I can gather the quality of the education is not necessarily commensurate w the cost.

    It seems odd to me that the nation is "all for" more funding for a disfunctional public education system, k-12, b/c "education is important". But when it comes to college - an "average income" individual's chances at obtaining an education depends on color. I am not talking a "few" scholarships for "races other than white", there are many. And, I am native american, but not "card carrying" and they don't go by mitochondrial dna so my children can't "check that box". Yet, one doesn't have to "prove" they are black. GO figure.
         

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