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    02-25-2010, 03:49 PM
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How do you force an 11,000 pound animal to perform. They use what we see as a performance to stimulate the animals. As far as putting the whales together I'm pretty sure that's how they get baby whales. I think the whale in question is with other whales right now. I realy think that zoo's and that type of exhibits are extremely beneficial to the animals. As was previously stated, people won't work to protect an animal that they have no emotional investment in. Researchers also have learned alot about the behavior and intelligence of the animals by observing them closer than would be possible in the wild particullarly in the case of migratory marine life like whales. If keeping a few whales in captivity increases our knowledge of these animals then it is well worth it.
     
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    02-25-2010, 04:04 PM
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From the letter that was brought up on the web, it looks like all whales held captive in Iceland and imported will never be able to be brought back to Iceland waters. That leaves them to stay captive the remainder of their life.
This confuses me a bit, could you tell me which letter you are talking about?
In fact, no whales are held captive in Iceland as far as I know (and I should know) and never really have been. Keikó was actually being retrained for the wild here, he was in the ocean in Vestmannaeyjar.
     
    02-25-2010, 04:08 PM
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Keikó was actually being retrained for the wild here, he was in the ocean in Vestmannaeyjar.
Yes, and he failed miserably at being retrained to think of himself as a wild orca.

He made a beeline for human habitats once released, and stayed near people until he died of pneumonia.

So much for returning him to the wild. Like Born Free's Elsa, it turned out to be a tragic mistake.
     
    02-25-2010, 04:09 PM
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Interesting article on animal attacks:

Attacks, other incidents involving captive animals - Yahoo! News
     
    02-25-2010, 04:10 PM
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This confuses me a bit, could you tell me which letter you are talking about?
In this thread, a link to a letter was posted, regarding the issue of returning the Orcas that originally came from Iceland waters, back to Iceland.
Seaworld trainer killed by killer whale
     
    02-25-2010, 04:11 PM
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Sorry double post, but great article! Thanks for posting the link!
     
    02-25-2010, 04:22 PM
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Yes, and he failed miserably at being retrained to think of himself as a wild orca.

He made a beeline for human habitats once released, and stayed near people until he died of pneumonia.

So much for returning him to the wild. Like Born Free's Elsa, it turned out to be a tragic mistake.
True, that project failed. That wasn't why I was mentioning it, I just wanted to say that he wasn't a show animal here.

And I've found some information on whales in captivity here, the newest ones I could find that were also reliable were almost 30 years old, so I was wrong on that point, but no whales are currently being hald in captivity.
     
    02-25-2010, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sissimut-icehestar    
True, that project failed. That wasn't why I was mentioning it, I just wanted to say that he wasn't a show animal here.

And I've found some information on whales in captivity here, the newest ones I could find that were also reliable were almost 30 years old, so I was wrong on that point, but no whales are currently being hald in captivity.
Why do you say it failed? He WAS free for what? Four years? And he was 26 years old. The average life span of a male orca in the wild is 30 years with a maximum of 50.

In captivity, orcas often die before they reach 20 years of age—almost no males achieve 30, and only a few females have lived past 30.

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/a...als/orcas.html
     
    02-25-2010, 04:33 PM
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Farmpony, it failed because he refused to be set free.

He stayed around human habitats, even though he had the whole wide ocean in which to go.

He was taken from his pod as a baby, and they were never found again. So he stuck with the only other mammal he was familiar and comfortable with; humans.

I've always found Keiko's story to be tragic.
     
    02-25-2010, 04:35 PM
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Why do you say it failed? He WAS free for what? Four years? And he was 26 years old. The average life span of a male orca in the wild is 30 years with a maximum of 50.

In captivity, orcas often die before they reach 20 years of age—almost no males achieve 30, and only a few females have lived past 30.

Orcas | The Humane Society of the United States
He was not free for 4 years, he was brought to Iceland in 1998 and died in 2003. It wasn't until 2002 that he could choose where and when he went somewhere and even after that he was "cared for"

Here's an article I found
Why freeing Willy was the wrong thing to do - environment - 28 April 2009 - New Scientist
     

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