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    06-29-2012, 02:52 AM
Don't know about other states but where I'm living we're already under state government mandatory auto insurance and annual auto inspections so the idea of mandatory insurance coverage is not an entirely new one.

Yep, Massachusetts was Romney care wasn't it?

Don't know what it will take to fix the healthcare system. A lot less greed but seems you can't mandate that.
Maybe a nationwide movement to vote all the current congressmen out and start new cause it really won't matter who the president is if congress behaves like a bunch of spoiled kids. Why don't we replace them with some of the currently unemployed people and we could even cut back on the benefits and freeze raises and the unemployed would probably still think it's a good deal.
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    06-29-2012, 06:10 AM
Originally Posted by FlyGap    
Last night I went to a dinner party and met an AMAZING woman from GB. She Immigrated here 20 years ago. She was the first woman to parachute off the Eiffel tower, she hand makes world renowned parachute harnesses, teaches motorcycle classes, you name it. She moved here to get away from Europe and welfare states. She also said she could never have done all this in GB.
She said that then and now, the US is the last hope on the PLANET where a person with a strong work ethic and a dream can come to succeed. In the past several years she has been pounding her head in frustration because we are following in the footsteps of Europe, all miserable failures.

I hope this all works out for the best.
Thanks for those links.
Purely in the interest of balance I'm just popping into this discussion to say that the vast majority of people in the UK are strong supporters of our National Health Care System. We all pay National Insurance Tax which contributes to the cost of the NHS. And everyone is covered by the NHS. Thank goodness!

Sure, there are debates here about the level of taxes we pay, and the cost of the NHS, and 'whether smokers should be treated for lung disease', and what elective surgery should or should not be covered by the NHS.... but you'd be looking for a needle in a haystack if you tried to find a wannabe Member of Parliament who wasn't a supporter of the basic tenet of universal health care through the NHS. He or she just wouldn't get elected.
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    06-29-2012, 07:47 AM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
AZ I do not share your contempt for the Affordable Healthcare Act.
This is a lnadmark decision that will affect us all . More people will now have access to preventive healthcare than ever before.
This alone will reduce the amount of money the federal government provides to state and local medical facilities.
Thereby saving money for all Americans.
This decision will probably not cost Obama or the Democrats any votes.
Those opposed to the measure were not likely to vote for Obama anyway.
The majority of americans do see the benefits of the AHA.
The unpopular part was the mandate that required Americans that are uninsured to purchase insurance.
Americans have never supported Obamacare, that is a fact. Anywhere from 55% to 65% have opposed it from day one, as you see the majority wants it repealed even with its few good points.

"A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that only 36 percent of voters nationwide think the president's health care plan is a good idea. That means a solid majority of the electorate--64 percent--think the plan is either a bad idea (45 percent) or are unsure about it (19 percent). Moreover, nearly half of those polled (49 percent) would like to see the law repealed; 42 percent oppose repeal."

Health - Ron Faucheux - Poll: Only 36 Percent of Americans Support the Affordable Care Act - The Atlantic

Even the Obama-nation of a Law does have a few good points, no one disputes that, no one disputes we need some kind of reform.....

I can post links all day long, but it does no good for some, I have already previously posted links of the unseen costs no one wants to talk about.

90% of the people who do not have health insurance do not want it at any price, those 90% can get quality Insurance for under 150.00 a month if they chose too.

The premise that it will save everyone money is the biggest hoax since the Martians landed.

Have you not read how this plan will cut some services of Medicade, how it will hurt small business.

There are better ways to help people who can't afford Healthcare than Obamacare, but some defend it for no other reason than a Democrat thought if it.

95% of the Democrats never read the Bill before they voted on it.... Let's get real.

Now that people have actually read it, they know how bad it is.

Those opposed to the measure were not likely to vote for Obama anyway
Great, according to that statement Obama will loose by a landslide

    06-29-2012, 08:48 AM
STG I too can post poll after poll that supports my information that whil 65% oppose the individual mandate that same number or greater support the AHA's most sweeping reforms.
Pre excisting conditions and more people having pre ventive Healthcare are welcome ideas. Shalom
    06-29-2012, 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Thereby saving money for all Americans.
With the healthcare been complexes and all but this where I don't see it. Only way that US going to save money if they run it like the NHS and the government will own hospitals. Which like I said tho I like my NHS but not perfect.

I have noticed one thing about the US government since I moved here. What ever they touch seems to screw thing up. Like Student loans and Car company's and pick and choosing industry to spend money on in the name of saving american jobs instead attacking the real issue and changing the environment so Americans can compete against world wide etc.

I mean I seen a lot of folks not agree with this and I somewhat thing too big for the federal government to get in and play with us.
    06-29-2012, 09:49 AM
Years ago when Tommy Douglas had watched children die because of extreme poverty (Depression) he publicly voices his concerns for a nation health care program whereby everyone had the right to medical care. He was branded with all matter of ugly terms and investigated. It is to him we owe a great debt of gratitude. Our province when thro a time where a family had to pay a monthly premium based on income but it was about $100. That was eliminated years ago. Obama's plan is that you pay a rate based on income. When Medicare was introduced here, my uncle doctor said that now he would get paid for every patient.
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    06-29-2012, 10:29 AM
Originally Posted by SouthernTrailsGA    
This is what I meant to post earlier, same site but the actual link I think you may be looking for

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ST, I've seen this one about precondition before. But what really ticks me off there you have to be uninsured for 6 months before you are eligible. From my understanding (reading here and there) health insurance companies can't reject you anymore if you have precondition starting 2014 (I'm saying that because my relative was rejected while back exactly because of the precondition). But how much will be the insurance? If same $700/month (or even more) than what's the difference really?
    06-29-2012, 10:32 AM
Originally Posted by Faceman    
Some of the provisions of Obamacare are both good and needed - I don't know of any reasonable person that would argue that. But the package as a whole is flawed, inefficient, far less inclusive than intended, and of course carries a price tag neither the public, business, or government can meet.
This. I do think that medical reform is needed, because too many people are uninsured and not because they go greedy or some other silly reason. However I don't think it was done right.
    06-29-2012, 10:33 AM
One of the more interesting things I have read about yesterdays scotus decision was comments by justice Roberts.
He essentially defined the mandate as a tax, making it applicable under reconciliation, and making it a little easier to repeal, as it only requires 51% majority instead of 60%.
While I do think everyone deserves healthcare in some fashion, I also think that if you want it, you best figure out how to make it happen for yourself.
I'm so very tired of people living off my tax dollars and not lifting a finger for their own betterment.
Folks that are physically able to work, yet perform no useful function at or expense is what I take issue with. Not those who are totally unable to work, or their caregivers.
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    06-29-2012, 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
STG I too can post poll after poll that supports my information that whil 65% oppose the individual mandate that same number or greater support the AHA's most sweeping reforms.
Pre excisting conditions and more people having pre ventive Healthcare are welcome ideas. Shalom
I do agree with making Healthcare Affordable, I also agree with cutting the gap of costs for Insurance between those with pre-existing conditions and those without.

As far as preventative care mandates, as a Consumer I should have the Right to pay for what I want and what I don't want.

A simple Affordable Care Act of less than 100 pages could have been passed with some simple things like...

- Shopping for Healthcare Insurance across State Lines, this creates competition keeping Costs Lower.
- Eliminating frivolous Lawsuits.
- A provision to do a way with discrimination of Pricing on Policies
- Make provisions for Allowing Consumers to buy the Portion of Insurance they want.

Of course Common Sense will tell you Insurance Companies will Charge EVERYONE more to make up for the difference in the High Risk Groups, I am willing to pay a little more on my plan to help those people.

The 2,409 page Obamacare is not about Affordable Healthcare it is about Tax Revenue for the Government, it is about Political Power over the un-educated, the Democrats will Campaign as they have already on One Thing "if you repeal Obamacare the old will die and children with Autism will sufferer" Obama's own words....

Forget Party Lines and look at some Facts and Common Sense, do you really think the Republicans want people to die and suffer?, no they want a Plan that will not Bankrupt America and actually Reduce Healthcare Costs so everyone can afford Insurance.

I have read over half of the 2,400 page Obamacare, it is quite shocking what is hidden in it, it will do more harm to America than it will help...... I urge everyone to actually do some reading and don't be like Pelosi and most of the other Democrats and say Oh, lets pass it we will read it

We need an Affordable Care Act that is what it says, affordable for Everyone and will actually reduce Healthcare Costs!, not the lie that we have now.

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