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        04-09-2012, 10:09 PM
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    Faceman I read very well thank you I have a PHD.
    The information I gave is from both the State {texas} and national Republican party platforms.
    Reinstating Sodomy laws is included in both platforms.
    The Civil Rights act and Voter right are both questioned by these platforms. As well as candidates for the presidency and state offices.
    I know for a fact that you don't have to take a litmus test or favor some far left agenda to be a deomcrat running for office.
    The demands that social conservatives place on the candidates for national and state offices is disgusting if you ask me.
    Allow me to assure you that I am far from stupid and understand our system of government very well.
    I do think that you and most republicans do not place much importance on the party platform. I think most haven't even read it. That does not negate its importance. Shalom
         
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        04-09-2012, 10:26 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Faceman I am very involved in politics thank you. The Republican Party Platform scares me. It would repeal a womans right to choose, limit civil rights of minorities, outlaw gays, and would make prayer mandatory in schools. Lets not bring up education, evolution, healthcare, womens rights, and its anti union rhetoric.
    I also disagree about the Supreme Court. Those Justices sit there for decades and their decisions last and are final. The Supreme Court is as equal to the Presidency and the Congress.
    The United States as the worlds only super power left cannot withdraw from the rest of the world. The US has a vested interest in maintaining peace and curbing any state or orgaization that sponsors Terrorist.
    Those sanctions are working in Iran.
    Isreal will not allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon. They took out Irag's and Syrias. Iran is too great a threat to peace in the region for even the Saudis to allow Iran to posses Nuclear weapons.
    Faceman I voted for Reagan twice The good Bush once and then the Republican party started having candidates like Pat Robertson and Pat Buchannon sp The turn to the far right alienated not only I but most jews and moderates.
    Swing voters or moderates WIN elections not the fringe.
    I have faith in the intelligence of the average american voter.
    This is a good debate though. Shalom
    Okay, I can't take this seriousely. I am an independent b/c I don't like either the dem or the republican party...but I don't look to air-america-esque propaganda from nutcase nazi-sympathizers for my thoughts. If they didn't convince their audience that they were sophisticated b/c they couldn't think for themselves, they wouldn't have one.

    Believing the statement in blue is worse than believing that George Soros (an upstanding air america sponsor) represents all Jews. And I am not the best speller....but I have many jewish friends...many - and none would mispell "Israel".
         
        04-09-2012, 10:35 PM
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    Missy may my typing may not be my strong point but I am dfinetly Jewish.
    I need not prove that to you or anyone.
    Especially someone who Claims to have jewish friends and constantly brings up Nazis or Hitler.
    George Soros is a Jew born and raised who is excercising his rights as an American. Shalom
         
        04-09-2012, 11:02 PM
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    The personal attcks against people with differing views has no place in a healthy debate.
    Questioning someones intelligence or their heritage detracts from the views that are being discussed.
    Until a certain level of maturity is regained I choose to refrain. Shalom
         
        04-09-2012, 11:17 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Missy may my typing may not be my strong point but I am dfinetly Jewish.
    I need not prove that to you or anyone.
    Especially someone who Claims to have jewish friends and constantly brings up Nazis or Hitler.
    George Soros is a Jew born and raised who is excercising his rights as an American. Shalom
    Really? I "claim" ...and you don't??? You claim I constantly bring up nazi's - therefor I must not really have have any jewish friends? And, Jewish people never mention nazis b/c they feel it is all best forgotten? Sorry, not true. Soros didn't work for Soviets, btw.

    I don't need to prove to anyone that you stated that "REPUBLICANS want to xyz". Its in black and white above. I wasn't questioning Soros' rights, I was saying that making blanket statements like "republicans want to...." as you did is worse than saying George Soros represents all jews. Keeping it in context is always useful.

    George Soros was obviousely born, is there a point to that...did you think I thought he was fabricated? He was not born an American, nor does he subscribe to Judaism. I am sure he would if it suited the situation, though. I take your response to mean you believe he does represent all jews. Okay, well, I don't. BUT, then again, I do not judge all "fill in the blank" groups of people by the actions or words of an individual or a few individuals.
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        04-10-2012, 08:46 AM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Faceman I read very well thank you I have a PHD.
    The information I gave is from both the State {texas} and national Republican party platforms.
    Reinstating Sodomy laws is included in both platforms.
    The Civil Rights act and Voter right are both questioned by these platforms. As well as candidates for the presidency and state offices.
    I know for a fact that you don't have to take a litmus test or favor some far left agenda to be a deomcrat running for office.
    The demands that social conservatives place on the candidates for national and state offices is disgusting if you ask me.
    Allow me to assure you that I am far from stupid and understand our system of government very well.
    I do think that you and most republicans do not place much importance on the party platform. I think most haven't even read it. That does not negate its importance. Shalom
    You have a PHD? So what? I have a BS in Biology, a BS in Geology, and an MS in Physics. None of them have anything to do with politics. A degree has not much to do with this discussion, nor does a degree define how much political savvy a person has.

    As to your statement which I bolded, I don't believe I called you stupid - not my style. However, your understanding of our government is not as thorough as you apparently believe. Anyone that thinks "checks and balances" means the three branches of government are equal does not understand the system. Checks and balances does NOT mean equal...never has, isn't, never will be, and was not intended to make the branches equal. The judicial branch is exactly what it was intended to be - the watchdog of our system, insuring that neither the other two branches nor any state or local governmental unit enacts legislation that is unconstitutional. The Supreme court hears less than 100 arguments a year. While it is certainly true they have made some far reaching decisions that affect our lives, they are only a watchdog and their overall contribution to "the government" is very small incomparison to the other two branches. The US Congress averages about 400 laws enacted a year, and I couldn't begin to guess how many laws our state legislatures enact annually. The judicial branch is comparable to a quality control division in a company or an "internal affairs" division in a police force...nothing more.

    There is no way I can put a truly intelligent guess as to the weight each branch has in governing, as it isn't static and the impact of each law or court decision is not equal. However, I would venture to say the weight is likely in the area of Executive 60%, legislative 30%, and judicial 10%. While those percents are certainly arguable, the concept that the three branches of government are equal is naive and uninformed. They are not equal, nor were they ever intended to be.

    That is not to say that the appointment of federal judges and Supreme Court justices is not important - it is a very important duty of the President. However, as I indicated earlier it is not the most important thing a President does. The vast majority of new legislation and interpretaion of existing legislation is not questioned as to its constitutionality, thus the judicial branch comes into play in a very tiny portion of governing, albeit that portion is both critical and necessary as a failsafe to insure that our rights under the constitution are not violated.

    Obviously you are stereotyping Republicans - you have done it several times now. Once again, that is a naive and uninformed position. The points you have brought up are applicable to radical conservatives - not Republicans. Yes, is a group of radical conservatives that follow some of the philosophies you pointed out - racism, gay-bashing, and so on. Here is a newsflash...there are elements within the Democrat party that do exactly the same. If you are unaware of the racism within the black community, which is overwhelmingly liberal Democrat, you have your head in the sand. Your mistake is you are using the terms Republican and conservative interchangeably, and they are not. There are moderate and liberal Republicans, just as there are moderate and conservative Democrats. What do you think a Dixiecrat or Blue Dog are? I have worked with Blue Dogs that are far more racist and anti-gay than most Republicans.

    Thus if you want to make your accusations of racism and civil rights infringements against radical conservatives, there would be no argument - at least with me. But when you make those accusations against Republicans in general, I cannot help but take exception, because that is simply not true, and once again those elements exist within both parties - and because they do, I could point to those elements within the Democrat party that are racist or anti-gay and make the same accusastion of the Democrats..which I wouldn't do of course because I have enough snap to understand that the Democrat party, just as the Republican party, covers a wide philosophical spectrum that ranges from very conservative to very liberal...
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