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        11-11-2011, 12:14 AM
      #11
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    Originally Posted by rosie1    
    My horses live in good paddocks, have a stall at night, get farrier, dental and vet care and all the food they need all year round. They have everything they need and live with other horses I don't feel bad asking them to work an hour a day for their keep, I work 40 hours a week for it I think they can put in a few themselves ;)
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    That's funny because so do commercial beef and dairly cows and they don't have to work at all.
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        11-11-2011, 10:36 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    I forgot about this post.

    So I guess it's all about what makes us feel good as people? That's about as narcissistic as it gets. Everyone has there own opinions but I can assure you that there are more animals killed EVERY day in gardening than there are killed for human consumption. Think of all of the field mice and crickets that are killed by tractors and combines. Not to mention pesticides...........
         
        11-11-2011, 11:53 AM
      #13
    Started
    Mmm, I'm a vegetarian, never tasted meat in my life and never wish to either. I don't necessarily understand what your asking but I'll give my 2 cents. The reason I am a vegetarian is mostly because of... well, killing animals. I do not support the way chickens, cows and pigs are treated. I dont appreciate that people think that they have no feeling and treat them like dirt. I defy that. Have you seen how chickens are transported? Or killed? Or where they live? Okay, what about cows? And pigs? They are all living creatures, they all have feelings as much as a horse does, but yet somehow they are different, they are nobodies and believe it or not, are treated like dirt.

    I don't support that in the least bit.

    Although I'm not with PETA, (Their to strict, I mean you shouldn't kill a fly in their opinion)

    With my personal money, I refuse to buy leather, its wrong. If I get given something that's leather, well, I'm not going to give it back saying I don't like leather. I accept it.

    I think hunting is sad, but yet its necessary around here with the deer. Even with hunters we have so much deer its unreal. On our property at night we alone have a family of 10 of them! They stay on our property cause its safe from hunters. Killing animals such as bears, is wrong. We do not have enough around here to need to kill them. And when I see people swerve on the road to intentionally kill something like as harmless as turtle or whatever, it makes me physically sick.

    I have a horse, I ride him. He gets loads of food, farrier, everything he could ever want, he is treated like gold. I don't see harm in riding a animal. I believe they were placed here for humans to take care of. Not to kill them in inhumane ways like the chickens and cows and etc. are.
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        11-11-2011, 12:07 PM
      #14
    Banned
    So to you... I shouldn't be riding my mare?

    ****... someone forgot to tell Indie that, I'll have to turn her down next Sunday morning (our trail day) she is waiting eagerly at the gate for the bridle to come out.
         
        11-11-2011, 12:11 PM
      #15
    Showing
    I can see validity in many of the varying opinions on this topic.

    I myself am a carnivore. I have no problem with eating or not eating meat, to each their own. I don't however like the stuff that's pumped into and put on our food chain in general. I raise my own meat chickens, hunt (deer, pheasant, quail), buy local organic grass fed beef, have my own laying hens, put up an acre+ garden and can all of my own veggies, make my own applesauce, can pears, peaches, etc that are all either from my own place or local.

    I don't really see the correlation between eating meat and owning animals. I don't think we can compare our domesticated riding horses to those in the wild. I know mine would much rather have the life they have now vs be free. There's been numerous occasions over the years where a gate has been left open and they choose to stay in their pasture. I have one that pouts and begs when I'm riding another, she loves her life. She'd be the first to be dinner for a predator if she was turned loose into the 'wild'.
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        11-11-2011, 12:53 PM
      #16
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    Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
    I forgot about this post.

    So I guess it's all about what makes us feel good as people? That's about as narcissistic as it gets.
    Really? You see narcissism is the above posts? Way to misinterpret, I'd say. It's rather about intention, virtue ethics, utilitarianism, and minimizing impact.

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    Everyone has there own opinions but I can assure you that there are more animals killed EVERY day in gardening than there are killed for human consumption. Think of all of the field mice and crickets that are killed by tractors and combines. Not to mention pesticides...........
    And is there any way to avoid that in modern society, short of stopping eating altogether and starving to death? No....

    Yet you absolutely can avoid mistreating cattle--and I've seen some horrible things with my own eyes that I know don't even touch the tip of the iceberg in the general scheme of food animal abuse. So why not take advantage of behaving ethically in the realms you do have control over, as opposed to those you don't?
         
        11-11-2011, 01:04 PM
      #17
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    I feel that everyone has to go by their own conscience about what they can or can't tolerate.

    I have no argument with vegans, vegetarians, or ovo-lactos, as long as they don't try to convert me or tell me that I'm a horrible murderer for eating animals.

    For whatever reasons someone is a vegetarian/vegan, that's their choice and I respect it. I expect the same respect back as an omnivore.

    I eat a lot of chicken, more so than any other meat, which is why I plan to start raising chickens for eggs and meat next year.

    I'd also like to raise a beef steer for processing, but that's going to be a few more years down the road, and I can get locally raised pork and goat meat from neighbors who raise them.

    Doing all of that insures I'll know where my meat is coming from, and how it was treated and fed before it became food. I think that's as responsible as I can get and still maintain my meat eating habits.
         
        11-11-2011, 01:11 PM
      #18
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    I eat a lot of chicken, more so than any other meat, which is why I plan to start raising chickens for eggs and meat next year.

    I'd also like to raise a beef steer for processing, but that's going to be a few more years down the road, and I can get locally raised pork and goat meat from neighbors who raise them.

    Doing all of that insures I'll know where my meat is coming from, and how it was treated and fed before it became food. I think that's as responsible as I can get and still maintain my meat eating habits.
    That's how I feel SR. Good for you! You will be amazed at the difference between chickens you raise yourself and the ones you can get at the store. Mine this year were all twice as big as store bought ones and no junk pumped into them. Same with the eggs. The yolks are actually orange not pale yellow. Makes for kick butt noodles!
         
        11-11-2011, 01:19 PM
      #19
    Showing
    A friend of mine has chickens MHF, so I've already discovered the joys of 'real' eggs. They're certainly much better than any of those pale, store bought things everyone buys.

    She doesn't eat her chickens though, just their eggs. She has a rooster, although I'm not sure why, since the hens will lay eggs without one. I have to admit he's a very sweet roo, but I'm sure the chickens could do without being jumped on by him all the time.
         
        11-11-2011, 01:27 PM
      #20
    Showing
    We HAD a rooster. We got a free exotic with our last order of chicks, turned out to be a really cool looking blue andalusian but our hens are pretty much my daughter's pets and didn't want a roo. He now lives with some of my students who have show poultry.

    The meat birds aren't as fun as the layers but they sure are tasty
         

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