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        12-23-2011, 09:31 AM
      #221
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    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    Well guys, I surely hope it does not come to violence....my husband IS military after all, and it's the military that would suffer losses during any civil war or other violent uprisings.
    Yeah, that is pretty spooky. I was in the Army from 1967 - 1969 during the Vietnam war. Vietnam was bad enough, but that was also the time of all the big riots in this country, and part of my training was riot training. While I was stateside we were always on call to be shipped to wherever there was a riot. That was a far bigger fear to me than going to Vietnam. The prospect of shooting my own people just petrified me, and of course the Kent State massacre was just a year later. Luckily I never had to go to suppress a riot, and it is a good thing, because I would probably still be in prison for desertion. I absolutely could not have fired on my own people just because of civil unrest. A murderer or rapist or child molestor is one thing, but I could never have fired on our own people just because they were protesting political or social issues - whether I agreed with them or not. These things can get very ugly...
         
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        12-23-2011, 12:29 PM
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    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    Well guys, I surely hope it does not come to violence....my husband IS military after all, and it's the military that would suffer losses during any civil war or other violent uprisings.

    My issue is that I'm not sure voting is the answer. FFS, people seem to believe that we have only two political parties and vote accordingly! So now here's the choice: Dirty Liar #1 or Dirty Liar #2: NEITHER ONE OF THEM will accomplish half of the platform they campaign on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The current system is not working....all our industry is overseas, our economy is shot, and there are NO JOBS out there. We have no pride in American society really, and the one huge campaign issue despite this is....Abortion?! 0.o
    American society needs to collectively pull their heads out of the SAND and take a good look at what we have allowed our government to do...did I ever tell you guys that my husband (the Marine) orders office chairs, plain old office chairs for more than 5-6 *hundred* dollars each??? And he is limited to certain companies that have military contracts? Ever wonder where our tax money goes? Well my husband is sitting in a POS six hundred dollar office chair.

    When I was a little kid, they filled our heads with "America the Great!", and how we could be ANYTHING we wanted, and how awesome we are...now there are no jobs, people are desperate and the patriotism is GONE. I think that patriotism is about respect and pride, and we have lost our pride in our country....hell, how much was that tea tax we fought England over? I think that we suffer a lot more now and are just TOO COMPLACENT to do anything about it, even simply by refusing to elect corrupt idiots who we should know by now...are lying through their teeth while stabbing us in the back.

    /end rant.

    But seriously...something has to be done.... at what point do things start to change for the better?
    The option of voting for either a conservative republican or even a moderately socialist democratic democratic candidate is one of many things that perplexes me about American politics, from my perspective, it's creates ineffectiveness. In Canada there are five political parties that garner in excess of ten percent of the vote and of those four have strong strategic positions in parliament, not only does that allow us as citizens to have our votes more directly reflect our views, but it prevents the stalemates that seem common in America. Now Ron Paul begins to rise in popularity during the marathon federal election campaign, but because of his more radical views which depart from the traditional rhetoric of either party, he's completely shut out by the media.

    Political positions aren't elected in America, they're bought. Government and business should be kept separate, government is the regulating body, business is the regulatee, but instead business self regulates by ensuring that the right candidates are elected to continue the status quo of corruption. Six hundred dollar office chairs that should cost twenty dollars, Chinese made office chairs I might add, I wonder how much of a roll that type of inefficiency plays in the debt crisis.

    I have a friend who is a pharmacist, she told me yesterday about the charter bus loads of Americans who come to her store to buy prescriptions, because the cost difference is so significant. The pill is the same on either side of the border, but it costs two thirds less here, not because we regulate pharmacutical companies any less, but because we don't allow lobbying or advertisements medications. To me that is a testament to how damaging a relationship between government and business can become.
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        12-23-2011, 01:21 PM
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    Originally Posted by mind    
    The option of voting for either a conservative republican or even a moderately socialist democratic democratic candidate is one of many things that perplexes me about American politics, from my perspective, it's creates ineffectiveness. In Canada there are five political parties that garner in excess of ten percent of the vote and of those four have strong strategic positions in parliament, not only does that allow us as citizens to have our votes more directly reflect our views, but it prevents the stalemates that seem common in America. Now Ron Paul begins to rise in popularity during the marathon federal election campaign, but because of his more radical views which depart from the traditional rhetoric of either party, he's completely shut out by the media.

    Political positions aren't elected in America, they're bought. Government and business should be kept separate, government is the regulating body, business is the regulatee, but instead business self regulates by ensuring that the right candidates are elected to continue the status quo of corruption. Six hundred dollar office chairs that should cost twenty dollars, Chinese made office chairs I might add, I wonder how much of a roll that type of inefficiency plays in the debt crisis.

    I have a friend who is a pharmacist, she told me yesterday about the charter bus loads of Americans who come to her store to buy prescriptions, because the cost difference is so significant. The pill is the same on either side of the border, but it costs two thirds less here, not because we regulate pharmacutical companies any less, but because we don't allow lobbying or advertisements medications. To me that is a testament to how damaging a relationship between government and business can become.
    There is some truth to your political assumptions about politics here, but please don't go into healthcare. We looked at the Canadian healthcare system and rejected it as an option. Your system has advantages over ours, but ours has advantages over yours, too. Thousands of Canadians come to the US every year for procedures...they wouldn't if they could get the same level of work done in Canada or didn't have to wait forever to get the procedures done. And where the heck do you think your pharmaceuticals come from - certainly not Canada. Every single American has access to healthcare. Our system is not perfect, but no system is...
         
        12-23-2011, 02:49 PM
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    There is some truth to your political assumptions about politics here, but please don't go into healthcare. We looked at the Canadian healthcare system and rejected it as an option. Your system has advantages over ours, but ours has advantages over yours, too. Thousands of Canadians come to the US every year for procedures...they wouldn't if they could get the same level of work done in Canada or didn't have to wait forever to get the procedures done. And where the heck do you think your pharmaceuticals come from - certainly not Canada. Every single American has access to healthcare. Our system is not perfect, but no system is...
    Pharmaceuticals and universal health care are two entirely different discussions, please take note of that and do not misinterpret my points. Prescriptions drugs are sold privately in both countries, without government subsidies, and they cost a fraction of the price here. The additional costs faced by Americans are entirely a result of the government regulations, which you have repeatedly spoken about and were the subject of my post. I'm also not sure how the location of production has any relevance, but okay. The majority of the compounds used to make prescription drugs are produced in China or India and not America, just like everything else and I can like you to an article supporting that statement if you wish.

    I will however respond to the statements you made, despite them being misinterpretations. Very few Canadians choose to come to America for health care service, but those who do are reimburced by the domestic health care system. The reasons for the trips are two fold; wait times, which are primarily a result of an immigration issue and have improved dramatically since the issue was brought to light, like you said, no system is perfect; highly advanced procedures that cannot be handled domestically, this is very rare, but it happens, and it stands to reason that with a population ten fold the size of ours there would be some more advanced surgical teams in America.

    Now, please return the prior discussion, the influence of business over the American government is an issue. I do not expect that a single person in America who pays taxes would be happy to hear that an office chair costs six hundred dollars.
         
        01-04-2012, 11:45 AM
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    Originally Posted by bubba13    
    I didn't play the racism card. I simply chose a photo off of Google Images to illustrate the point I felt you were making: the citizens versus the government, in a battle of arms.
    I guess you are opposed to the american revolution and would feel better about yourself as a British subject then you do as an american citizen? The idea that freedom is given to us by the government is completely backwards. Our freedom was earned by the many who have fought for it. With guns. I am not a conspiracy theory person who thinks that the government is going to come take my guns tomorrow. If I was, I wouldn't bother getting a concealed weapons permit and new guns. All of that is tracked by the government. It should be clear that with rocket launchers I was talking in theory. I couldn't ever see a scenario where I would want to own one. In fact, I don't own a single (so called) "assault rifle". Those are all currently legal to own. Just one more question. When was the last time that you did something that didn't have some sort of government regulation associated with it? Can you think of anything? I can't. Everything has some regulation attached to it. Maybe not on the surface but deep down.
         
        01-04-2012, 12:05 PM
      #226
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    Originally Posted by mind    
    Now, please return the prior discussion, the influence of business over the American government is an issue. I do not expect that a single person in America who pays taxes would be happy to hear that an office chair costs six hundred dollars.

    I didn't read all of the last couple pages but I started this post to ask vegetarians a question, not to discuss business influence over the american government. Haha

    I think that business' influence over government is a direct result of the establishment of income taxes and the IRS. Think about it, when a company like GE can make BILLIONS and pay no income taxes while people making 50K a year pay alot. Now democrats are saying the mortgage interest shouldn't be allowed to be deducted for homeowners? That's a broken system.
         
        01-04-2012, 12:22 PM
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    Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
    I guess you are opposed to the american revolution and would feel better about yourself as a British subject then you do as an american citizen?
    Would depend on a lot of factors, now, wouldn't it? I can't weigh the pros and cons very accurately having never lived in Britain. Now of course I'd much prefer to live in America today versus the America of 1776...being a woman, I wouldn't have even been a citizen, and would literally not have had a vote. So that much is a moot point, as is the insistence that you really compare the world of 250 years ago with the world today. BIG difference. An armed struggle nowadays isn't exactly redcoat formations, muskets, and bayonets. It's a little higher stake than that.



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    When was the last time that you did something that didn't have some sort of government regulation associated with it? Can you think of anything? I can't. Everything has some regulation attached to it. Maybe not on the surface but deep down.
    Of course some government regulation is extraneous, even unethical, and certainly annoying. But the last time I was hobbled by the government? Can't think of it. The foods I eat, the care I drive, the places I go, the activities I participate in....? I'd be doing the exact same thing no matter what the law book said.
         
        01-04-2012, 12:36 PM
      #228
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    Originally Posted by bubba13    
    Can't think of it. The foods I eat, the care I drive, the places I go, the activities I participate in....? I'd be doing the exact same thing no matter what the law book said.

    So you think the role of government should only to be to not hobble you? Anything else is ok? Are people hobbled by a depressed economy? Is it harder for people to find jobs and take care of their families? I think it is. I happen to know several people that would love to have a job. Government regulation "hobbles" that.
         
        01-05-2012, 07:53 PM
      #229
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    Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
    So you think the role of government should only to be to not hobble you? Anything else is ok? Are people hobbled by a depressed economy? Is it harder for people to find jobs and take care of their families? I think it is. I happen to know several people that would love to have a job. Government regulation "hobbles" that.
    What does your comment have to do with Bubba's statement that you quoted? Obviously nothing, but just thought I would ask...
         
        01-06-2012, 01:22 PM
      #230
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    Nothing. Looks like I deleted too much of the statement. No big deal. The post is right above mine. Haha





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    Originally Posted by bubba13    
    Of course some government regulation is extraneous, even unethical, and certainly annoying. But the last time I was hobbled by the government?

    That's what I meant to quote.
         

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