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    06-17-2013, 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Saskia    
I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I clearly said some non-vegetarians try new things and I'm sure many do know what stuff like quinoa was, but I've never met anyone who wasn't vegetarian/vegan that did. They say "what is that?" "why would we eat it, that's weird". It's not just that but other things I thought were main stream, hommus, felafel, even tofu, tapioca, buckwheat, chickpeas, people some in their 30s or 40s, have never tasted or heard of. When I moved to my small university my flatmate looked at my after I said I was vegan and said.. "What? I though that was just a myth" and he fully believed that. I mean supermarkets don't even have these different kind of foods in the "normal" shopping section, you have to go to the area that has the foods for people with allergies, or other problems.

Maybe you do get excited over a product, but mentioning to my friend I wanted to taste something, like marshmallows, or some kind of biscuit... the answer is "just go buy it". There is no searching, looking, or heaps of excitement when you're local shop has it's first vegan biscuit. I remember having looked for vegan marshmallows for 3+ years and finally finding them in Germany. It was brilliant.

My friends just go "oh cool new biscuit" and put it in their basket. I'm not saying this is you, or everyone, but in my life and world this is what the people are like. And that's fine for them, but I don't want that. And it's great for people who actually read labels, but again, for example, out of my friends not one of them knew that about 90% of breadcrumbs from the supermarket had fish oil in them.

I was just trying to share my experience, to see if anyone else shared them, not trying to offend anyone. Which is why I posted in a vegan and vegetarian thread, not anywhere else on this forum.
I'm sorry you've met people who have never had hummus? What? How does that even work? I'd die with out my hummus this guy makes ans sells it locally at the summer street market I got roasted garlic chipotle last time, by far my favourite and woman I know showed me how to make some awesome vegan stuff, nice change considering up till then anything vegan I had was bland, just shows you have to know how to vegetarian/vegan.
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    06-18-2013, 12:14 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Saskia    
It's not just that but other things I thought were main stream, hommus, felafel, even tofu, tapioca, buckwheat, chickpeas, people some in their 30s or 40s, have never tasted or heard of. When I moved to my small university my flatmate looked at my after I said I was vegan and said.. "What? I though that was just a myth" and he fully believed that. I mean supermarkets don't even have these different kind of foods in the "normal" shopping section, you have to go to the area that has the foods for people with allergies, or other problems.
I dunno where you are shopping but I live in the middle of absolutely nowhere and the itty bitty grocery store, that barely qualifies as anything more than a mini-mart, in town has all of those foods and every last one is most certainly in with all the "normal" foods. There's no "weirdo" section.... heck, the grocery store in the actual city that one practically needs a map and a GPS to navigate doesn't have a "weirdo" section either.. all that stuff is mixed in along with everything else.

Being Vegan/Vegetarian doesn't elevate you to some special level in life... I can guarantee there are plenty of Vegan foods out there that YOU haven't heard of or tried! Food choices are generally based on what we ate as a child and got used to. My mother HATES beets and asparagus so I never had either until I was an adult and my Mother-In-Law served them. My mom did all the cooking so she wasn't about to cook what she didn't want to eat.... both perfectly normal foods too! My husband ate next to no veggies because his mother cooked them all to death and served them up with zero seasonings. They tasted AWFUL so he thought that is what veggies taste like... boy was he surprised to learn otherwise.
    06-19-2013, 08:19 AM
Originally Posted by Saskia    
Many people are happy eating a cow or chicken but would draw the line at a dog, or maybe some kind of protected or endangered animal, like a tiger. And obviously humans. They say it's not same, but it is in the way that we make the personal choice to say this is where it stops being okay, we all draw lines at different places. So people joke about killing vegetables, and such, but I draw my line where I draw it. And it's arbitrary line, I'll be the first to admit it, but we all do it. My line is at a different places to theirs, and it might not make sense to me, but they don't make sense to me either. How can you eat a cow and not a cat? Why is a pig fair game but god forbid someone eat dolphin? Then people will accuse me of saying it's okay to eat dolphins or whales or tigers, but they don't get that to me it's not okay to eat any of it and that was the point all along.
Oh my gosh, finally someone who sees it my way! I was reading your posts literally nodding to myself and thinking "yeah! So right!!" I once had a meat-eating friend gasp at the thought that other nations eat *CATS*. I felt like slapping them. BUT YOU EAT COW AND PIG!!! Same with people who happily eat fish, but DOLPHIN?? Where do you draw the line?
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    06-20-2013, 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
A question I would like to ask is - why are you vegetarian or vegan?

Personal interest.

Kind of a long story but I'll have a go at it. I was arguing with a vegan friend of mine and she said "omnivores are so closed minded". Boy was I p*ssed! How dare she!? This really bothered me more than it should have. The more I festered over this the more I began half heartedly admitting to myself that she was right. I'd never really considered the other side of story and wrote off anyone who disagreed with me as an overly sentimental animal rights extremist. And so began my journey! I spent months immersed in every book, website, article, documentary, video and shred of information I could find on agriculture, aquaculture, commercial fishing and animal rights. And for the first time I was open to all spectrums of the debate be they farmers, fishermen, industry or advocate. Given all that I learned I simply couldn't keep eating animal products any longer. And to this day I still obsess over obtaining as much information as possible and I'll listen to anyone who's knowledgeable on the subject, even if their views don't match mine.

To the person who said vegetarians and vegans need to make sure they get enough protein (sorry I'm not sure who it was)- Believe it or not you can have too much of a good thing. As long as you are eating a sufficient amount of healthy foods protein shouldn't be an issue, it's in just about everything! True, veggies do tend to get slightly less protein than omnis but that's not necessarily a bad thing. We obsess over protein wayyy too much in this country.

Saskia- The book Why We Love Dogs Eat Pigs And Wear Cows by Dr. Melanie Joy thoroughly address peoples resistance to eat one species and eager to devour another. It's very interesting. My personal belief is that a pig is a dog is a bear is a boy and when we suffer, we suffer as equals. Philosophically I see no difference between a dolphin, a dog and a pig. They are all sentient beings with the same capacities to experience pain, fear, joy and sorrow. And in this regard they are no different than us.
    06-20-2013, 12:38 AM
And to anyone interested in the health merits of a vegetarian or vegan diet- I highly recommend the documentary Forks Over Knives as well as the book Whitewash by Joseph Keon. I believe that a whole food plant based diet (which differs slightly from a vegan diet) along with proper exercise is the most healthful lifestyle. However, at this point in time that's still debatable among the scientific community. What we do know for a fact is that a vegetarian or vegan diet is at least as healthy as an omnivorous diet. There's proof enough in all the incredibly healthy vegan athletes as well as the millions of perfectly healthy people on a vegetarian diet. Are there unhealthy "pale, pasty, and sickly" vegetarian and vegans? You bet ya! But there's also a lot of unhealthy, overweight omnivores. You can't judge a diet solely on a few individuals that happen to be apart of it, as there are exceptions to every rule.
    06-26-2013, 03:39 AM
So recipes I can use my friends guinea pigs for? Particularly soups? I love soup.
    06-26-2013, 01:00 PM
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^^^^ Do you mean to cook your friends guinea pigs - make some sort of a soup out of them or do you mean what sort of veggie recipes can you try out on your friends???
    06-26-2013, 01:10 PM
Green Broke
I believe she intends to eat said Guinea Pig.....

I have a Dove in my kitchen (found with broken wing), he's looking tastier by the day!
    06-26-2013, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Delfina    
I believe she intends to eat said Guinea Pig.....

I have a Dove in my kitchen (found with broken wing), he's looking tastier by the day!
It does kind of read that way!!!
As for the dove - I'm thinking it would be like wood pigeon and going back to my pre-veggie days - not worth the cost of cooking.
When the time comes give it a decent burial
    06-26-2013, 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
I too am a meat eater but it is a fact that a vegetarian diet is healthier for the human body than a diet that includes red meat.
Since we've got a little discussion going, I just want to add that what TYPE of red meat you eat decides if it is healthy or not.

Sure, ir you are buying the bulk pack of 20% fat ground beef, that's going to clog your arteries. But if you are eating grass-fed "organic" beef under 6% fat, how is that any less healthy than chicken or fish?

Yes, true, the vast majority of the population doesn't eat health grass-fed low-fat beef, and that's where the phrase "red meat causes high cholesterol etc etc) comes into play.

I've seen some people say they are eating healthy by choosing ground turkey over ground beef, when they have no idea that ground turkey can have 20%+ fat in it too.

For the record: I eat meat. Was raised on a farm so it's always been part of my lifestyle. Bottle-fed the spiker calves and pet them/name them, let them grow for 2 years, and then stick 'em in the freezer. Cycle of life, I guess you could say.

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