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        01-18-2013, 11:49 AM
      #11
    Banned
    Everyone needs to be aware of what they're eating and how it got to their plate. However, if people expect plentiful and inexpensive food, industrialized farming is the only way to achieve that.

    If you want high dollar, questionable quality, and unreliable supplies, that's what you get if we were to go back to small farms. It's neither possible nor logical to go back to a feudal system setup and expect to be able to continue to feed the world's population. Even the smaller, family owned operations have become industrialized to a point.

    I don't plan to grow a garden and do canning because I simply don't have that kind of time, but I do plan to raise my own chickens for eggs and meat, as well as raise a steer for beef. I figure I can do trades of meat and eggs with neighbors who grow veggies. People who live in cities and the suburbs don't have those options, unfortunately.
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        01-18-2013, 01:08 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    I have chickens, turkeys, pigs and cows. I also have a small garden and happily take and can produce from those who have excess.

    I am in the process of taking a few classes on gardening (growing orchards specifically) and plan on adding fruit/nut trees to my property.

    I think my family is healthier for my efforts and I certainly enjoy knowing what my food did or did not eat. I am not delusional nor do I live in crazytown.... if I am unable to reasonably grow or raise food items that we need/want, well that's what the grocery store is for.

    Considering the number of people that stop by and ask if my steers are for sale (or in a few cases, the gigantically pregnant "steers".... poor Maggie) as I 100% grass feed.... they must look awfully darn healthy and yummy and I certainly think they are!
         
        01-18-2013, 01:37 PM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    Apologies - this is long
    My concern with all these sort of (I'm sorry but I have to say it) scaremongering videos and books is that lack true perspective on the big picture
    A huge amount of the worlds population live in countries where they struggle to produce field grown crops, fruit & veg at all never mind a diversity of them so they are very reliant on countries like the US to supply them - and that supply has to be affordable as many of these places are far from affluent.
    Many countries still rely on a rural economy to sustain their income so they can't afford to have low yields or lose produce to a swarm of bugs or fungal disease. Have you ever seen how fast a few butterflies will produce enough caterpillars to totally wipe out a field of broccoli? If that's a farmers livelihood then how does he pay his bills? And that is nothing compared to what a hoard of locusts will do
    I have seen farmers in the UK try to grow organic barley and give up within a few years as they eventually have more weeds than grain. Most organic farmers are small time and actually rely on surrounding farmers using herbicides to keep the numbers of weeds down.
    Organic farming is incredibly labour intensive - who wants that sort of work? Try weeding an acre of lettuce plants? That's if they havent all been eaten by slugs or greenfly
    The US has had an awful year of hay shortages and this could be worse if next year is a repeat. We need high yields of good quality grasses to meet demands - a field half full of weeds and low growth isnt going to do that.
    I'm not saying it can't be done - but it isn't ever going to feed the world, we would soon be starving. And I'm not being dramatic here.
    The US is actually behind most other countries in labelling standards and livestock recording - do people want more rules and regulation? I don't know the answer to that. I know some will say not and US livestock farmers are very opposed to having more paperwork.
    Its not fair to blame governments for what happens in packaged food production units - having inspectors there 24/7 would be the only solution and that's going to cost someone somehow either directly in price increases or indirectly in taxes
    Its also unfair to demonise Ag Chem companies and accuse governments of lack of control with them.
    It takes between 4 to 7 years to test and register a product for use on food crops depending on the country - the EU being the longest. If there is the slightest whiff of cancer or anything else it fails. Older products are being removed from the market all the time and most of the big companies are actively testing organic products - they are NOT against them but they have to work and be affordable at field scale. Most of them don't and fall in what they call the "muck & magic' category.
    Most problems are a result of misuse by the people applying them
    There are also many allowed applications in organic farming that have the potential to be harmful if misused - tests on organic land have produced evidence of higher than acceptable levels of copper, cadmium, chromium, lead, mercury, arsenic, selenium, zinc and molybdnenium. They can come from all sorts of sources such as the use of wood ash and even sewage
    This is a link to a site that gives a list of permitted chemicals for use on organic produce
    Permitted Chemicals List for Organic Farming
    My husband & I both come from agricultural backgrounds and have first hand experience of arable, field scale veg & dairy. I am not anti-organic - I am just a realist
    Just to add - how does anything the author says relate to 'our beloved equines?
         
        01-18-2013, 03:38 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    We have a local organic farm. I always wondered who on earth bought from them as a dozen eggs were $5.50!!

    Well, I now know.... nobody apparently. They are over $14 MILLION in debt, filed bankruptcy and closed. They slaughtered over 12 THOUSAND chickens as they could not feed them and are asking people to please donate feed for 4,000 more and are supposedly giving away 1,000 chickens. Supposedly because I have been calling them all morning (I lost chickens to the neighbor's dog, so I could take some) but nobody has a clue over there or will call me back.
         
        01-18-2013, 03:41 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    I think you need to read some history. Although our food supply systems arnt perfect, there have been HUGE improvements in the last hundred years due to government oversight. Food born illness and death is very rare. Compare that to what was going on a couple hundred years ago.
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        01-18-2013, 03:49 PM
      #16
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    Delfi, as a foil to that, one my neighbors who has chickens sells her eggs for LESS than those in the grocery store. She gets more eggs than she can personally use, so passes them along to anyone who wants them. She could sell them for more, but she's not really trying to make money or claim that she's some sort of 'organic' chicken farmer.
         
        01-18-2013, 04:15 PM
      #17
    Super Moderator
    Food, Inc. Is an interesting movie. I am not moved to panic, but I am glad to hear some of this, as I am NOT connected to the food industry.
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        01-18-2013, 04:35 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Delfi, as a foil to that, one my neighbors who has chickens sells her eggs for LESS than those in the grocery store. She gets more eggs than she can personally use, so passes them along to anyone who wants them. She could sell them for more, but she's not really trying to make money or claim that she's some sort of 'organic' chicken farmer.
    Yup! I "give" my extras away (I say "give" as those who give me bags of chicken feed are first on my call list for extras). I attempted to sell them and people were all sorts of freaky about how store-eggs are better than ones that come from my chicken's butt (not sure where they think the store eggs come from!!).

    I tried to donate them to the food bank but they told me no. Free-range chicken eggs aren't good enough for the needy.... they want store-bought white eggs!
         
        01-18-2013, 04:49 PM
      #19
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    Originally Posted by Delfina    
    ....... I attempted to sell them and people were all sorts of freaky about how store-eggs are better than ones that come from my chicken's butt (not sure where they think the store eggs come from!!).

    I tried to donate them to the food bank but they told me no. Free-range chicken eggs aren't good enough for the needy.... they want store-bought white eggs!

    Wow. Around here people have no problem paying more for my brown and blue free range eggs (although not as much as the above mentioned dozen) and rave about how much better they taste.
    I even had a couple of sisters who would drive out from the big city once a month and buy 10 to 12 dozen at a time for all their family members.
    And, even with 40 to 50 hens at that time, I never had enough left to to donate to the food bank.

    I wonder if the food bank turned you down because of some weird ag. Regulation? Thare are hardly an egg regs. Here and we can sell up to 2000 dozen and still be considered a small farm with no permit needed.
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        01-18-2013, 05:21 PM
      #20
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    I still don't have my chicken house/run so please refrain from making me jealous
    I put any surplus veg and fruit I grow on a table at the end of my drive with an honesty box - it always goes and amazes me how honest people around here are too
    Slightly different note on how much better things taste - well fresh picked will always taste better regardless of what it is or isnt sprayed with - however the horse yard I worked on for many years was also a working farm and they sold free range eggs which people would drive for miles to get, on frequent occasions if hens were not laying or we'd been hit by foxes my boss would go to a local battery hen farm and buy eggs from them and sell them as his own - very bad thing to do - but no one ever said they didnt taste as nice as usual.
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