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    01-18-2013, 05:53 PM
  #21
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Recent estimates are that about 8 million people die every year from starvation. Personally, I woud rather have less than perfect food than no food at all.

I'm not impressed. Scare mongering wackos are always wacked out about something. I managed to live through playing behind DDT fogging mosquito trucks when I was a kid, the Strontium 90 scare in the 50's in the midwest, and heaven knows what.

Sure, we need to watch what we eat - I certainly do, and take safety into consideration. But honestly - there is more poison in a greasy bacon cheeseburger and fries than any chemicals you will get in your food.

And there is no such thing as "organic" - at least not commercially practical. That is just the fantasy of middle aged hippies. If anything is exposed to free air or free water, it ain't organic. The only way to achieve organic is in a bubble with purified air, sterilized dirt, and sterilized water.

We should do what we can to minimize contaminated food - that is sort of a duh. But me...I'll take an average life expectancy of 74 with relatively good health over a life expectancy of 35 any day. I would rather not go back to the pre-industrialized era and spend half my time puking from spoiled food, sleeping with disease ridden vermin, watch my children die of smallpox and cholera, and having no medicine when I am sick and have to depend upon incarnations from a shaman...
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    01-18-2013, 06:13 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
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Sure, we need to watch what we eat - I certainly do, and take safety into consideration.
But honestly - there is more poison in a greasy bacon cheeseburger and fries than any chemicals you will get in your food.

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While this may be true, depending on a person's view of what constitutes poisoning, at least when you eat that greasy bomb you sort of know what you are eating. Specially now that we know what pink slime is.
But, when you are grabbing a gallon of milk at the store, how do you know which gallon came from rBST cows and which one didn't?
Or perhaps the box of "uber healthy" cereal with awesome high fiber.
Did that come from GMO or non-GMO?
How do you know?

For some of us, those answers matter. Particularly with the rise in how the food system is affecting children and their development these days.
As you know, when changes occur it can often take years for the results to be visible.

Again, I didn't watch the video and I'm sure I'm going off on my own tangent here, but more than likely the video isn't going to show me anything I haven't already seen or know.
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    01-18-2013, 06:41 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
While this may be true, depending on a person's view of what constitutes poisoning, at least when you eat that greasy bomb you sort of know what you are eating. Specially now that we know what pink slime is.
But, when you are grabbing a gallon of milk at the store, how do you know which gallon came from rBST cows and which one didn't?
Or perhaps the box of "uber healthy" cereal with awesome high fiber.
Did that come from GMO or non-GMO?
How do you know?

For some of us, those answers matter. Particularly with the rise in how the food system is affecting children and their development these days.
As you know, when changes occur it can often take years for the results to be visible.

Again, I didn't watch the video and I'm sure I'm going off on my own tangent here, but more than likely the video isn't going to show me anything I haven't already seen or know.
I define poison as sometehing that will kill you or make you sick. Look up the sickness and death numbers due to obesity and conditions such as heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes that are related to obesity.

I realize that two wrongs don't make a right, and if something is bad it is bad whether something else is worse or not, but honestly - we have become a nation of obese, sedentary, unhealthy, pill popping people...we can do a lot more ourselves to live longer healthier lives than looking to food corporations for some sort of conspiracy.

I am speaking in generalities of course - many people do take care of themselves. But the bulk of society certainly does not. And I am as concerned about the food I eat as anyone - I read ingredients, look at expiration dates, rarely eat leftovers, eat out very seldom, and am very careful overall - it is a habit from many years of eating "clean" as a bodybuilder. I wish we could be better informed about what is in the food we eat, but I just don't think what is in the food we eat is as high a priority as what type of food we eat, and what other chemicals we dump in our body voluntarily...
     
    01-18-2013, 07:43 PM
  #24
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Yeah. I must admit I'm really at all impressed with organic myself. I feel in many ways ,organic kind of has a nice theory - but the practice and principle is short sighted and unsustainable.

If the world went down the current path of organic principle - their would be a definite food crisis, and within a very short time - and a massive production issue. There are too many grey area's within the organic movement.

Can I ask however how many of you have watched this film? Or are actually aware of the issues it specifically presents? I haven't read anyone mention the impact that behavior such at the exhibited by Monsato, or express an opinion on it? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Someone suggested that I read up on food history. I have, and I am well versed on the stages that food production, and consumer trend has moved through, as well as the reactive principles that are developed in response.

I suppose I am looking at the future when I express my worries - Sure, things may have SOME benefits now, but as the majority of the control is placed in the hands of the few, that is what worries me.

In regard to poor performing, or low socio economic, 'third world' economies being based of food production provided from USA ect......please, don't kid yourself into thinking these 'Parent' countries do them any favors....

The biggest impact behind economies struggling to feed themselves beyond internal politics, and climatic issues comes from fragile economies that are dependent, and at the mercy of the global market. The global market has driven down the value of food, through the industrialization of production, that leaves a situation where they simply CANNOT afford to even eat the food that they produce themselves.

I'm not suggesting everyone gets out, and puts in a vege garden, or has a few meat birds - heck, I personally know a large group of people that would starve if this was the only way they were to feed themselves, I'm talking about supporting a sustainable food system through spending money on what actually helps, not harms.

This film isn't scaremongering, its fact. Personally, I don't believe their is anything such as scaremongering. Their are lies, and then their are truths.

In regards to the topic of food safety, I do not believe in alot of what has been said in the film - and I have little faith in the modern systems provided as "answers" I don't believe in the short sighted over sanitation of food control, as in many cases if food is produced in a health way, their are less problems. What I DO believe however, in honesty and transparency in those that lay down the legislation, and decide what can, and cannot be done.

This isn't a small issue with neat, tidy, pleasant answers. It's not a case of, close you eyes and rip the bandaid off. And the consequences will be greater than a small splinter.

Those of you who have a vege garden, who save seeds and grow things from cuttings......do you know that you are actually breaking the law in 95% of the case?

Its is RARE to find a seed, or a plant with genetics that are not, quite literally 'owned' by someone else. A company that has the rights to these genetics. Technically, you should be paying royalties to the company that owns the genetics for your tomato plant every time you eat the food. These laws are being implemented in many countries already, with similar techniques to Monsanto. This is another reason why people cannot afford to feed themselves in many cases. What Monsanto is doing is not new or special...they are just more brash, and more confident about it.

Technically, if you are caught with seed, on your property - that Monsanto has the genetic license to, you are stealing.

Recently, within the first season of GM canola being allowed in Western Australia an organic farmer within our state lost his Organic license, as his neighbor cropped with GM canola. This canola contaminated his crops, and not only did he loose his Organic certification that he had spend thousands on over the years, and 20 years working towards - he was 'fined, billed, and hunted for the royalties from Monsanto, for the having unlicensed seed on his property.

That same season saw a truck roll over on a busy hwy. This truck was also carrying GM canola. The biohazard protocols needed to control this spill were beyond the joke, but you can later see WHY they did so. Seasons later, the road verge that is sprayed, burnt, and the verge literally dug out grows this canola. The property that is alongside the verge has been notified that It may at some point be expected to pay royalties for having canola seed that is carrying patented genetics.

These farmers do not use GM canola, and have had no desire to.

I'm sorry, their is very little way to look at that other than comparing to laws where a person who is raped, is then punished for having been so.
     
    01-18-2013, 10:12 PM
  #25
Green Broke
Well, I did not watch the videos. However, whenever I read some "oh no" article about any industry that paints the US as at the root of all evil, I pretty much turn off. Why is China rarely ever mentioned in these "sky is falling" sort of things? If it is in this particular instance- my bad, but let me guess...the US is primarily mentioned.

I think organic is great in the US for several reasons, cottage industries (US jobs), and range fed (animal friendly) - to name a few. BUT, in China "organic" would take on a whole new meaning as they use human "manure" for fertilizer.

It takes me forever to go grocery shopping b/c I have to read each label to see where it was manufactured - for pet food, too. Or, call the manufacture and ask. I think food from China is extremely scarey. What is really bad is the fact that is hard to say if one or more raw materials came from China when the label says it was manufactured in the US (such as happened w deadly dog food several years back).
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    01-18-2013, 10:31 PM
  #26
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
I think food from China is extremely scarey. What is really bad is the fact that is hard to say if one or more raw materials came from China when the label says it was manufactured in the US (such as happened w deadly dog food several years back).
Did you know according to Federal Regulations for something to be Labeled Made in the USA it only requires 51% of the ingredients to be actually Made in the USA and 49% of the ingredients can be from a foreign source?

Food for thought (pun intended)

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    01-18-2013, 10:35 PM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
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I am speaking in generalities of course - many people do take care of themselves. But the bulk of society certainly does not. And I am as concerned about the food I eat as anyone - I read ingredients, look at expiration dates, rarely eat leftovers, eat out very seldom, and am very careful overall - it is a habit from many years of eating "clean" as a bodybuilder. I wish we could be better informed about what is in the food we eat, but I just don't think what is in the food we eat is as high a priority as what type of food we eat, and what other chemicals we dump in our body voluntarily...
I wish more people did pay attention.
It is a good start towards living healthier and unfortunately the general attitude of "instant everything" permeates the way we eat as a nation.
Since I don't dump chemicals into my body, save for caffeine in my coffee, I can focus more on what is actually in my food.

My family eats very healthy as I have a large garden which is in production from March until November each year, a small orchard, free range hens, dairy goats, and I either raise my poultry or buy from a farming friend who raises hers like I taught her and I buy her grass fed beef too.
I know the feed mill where the feeds come from as well as where the grains come from to make the feeds. The bugs my chickens snack on have not been touched by pesticides and from the day I set foot on my soil, herbicides have not been used.
I know the previous owners and what they did and didn't do with the property for ther last 50 years too.

When I lived in the city I made the best choices I could and was as informed as "city folk" could be. I knew what was in my food.


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Originally Posted by EquineOpus    
....... I haven't read anyone mention the impact that behavior such at the exhibited by Monsato, or express an opinion on it? Please correct me if I am wrong.
I'll refrain from expressing my views and opinions on Monsanto as this is a public forum where strong verbage is frowned upon.
Suffice to say, they are not on my "like" list and I'll happily tell them to kiss my lily white... well, you know.
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    01-18-2013, 10:40 PM
  #28
Green Broke
My husband and I have watched Food Inc. We live on an organic ranch with grass fed beef, free range chickens and grow our own eggs. The movie is enlightening and disturbing. We watched it at my in-laws request. They own and run the farm, it is their life and business.
I also try to do my own garden in the growing season.
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    01-18-2013, 10:40 PM
  #29
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by SouthernTrailsGA    
Did you know according to Federal Regulations for something to be Labeled Made in the USA it only requires 51% of the ingredients to be actually Made in the USA and 49% of the ingredients can be from a foreign source?

Food for thought (pun intended)

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Thanks for that happy thought. Really - thank you so much, as I was needing to diet ANYWAY!
     
    01-19-2013, 10:48 AM
  #30
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
I wish more people did pay attention.
It is a good start towards living healthier and unfortunately the general attitude of "instant everything" permeates the way we eat as a nation.
Since I don't dump chemicals into my body, save for caffeine in my coffee, I can focus more on what is actually in my food.

My family eats very healthy as I have a large garden which is in production from March until November each year, a small orchard, free range hens, dairy goats, and I either raise my poultry or buy from a farming friend who raises hers like I taught her and I buy her grass fed beef too.
I know the feed mill where the feeds come from as well as where the grains come from to make the feeds. The bugs my chickens snack on have not been touched by pesticides and from the day I set foot on my soil, herbicides have not been used.
I know the previous owners and what they did and didn't do with the property for ther last 50 years too.

When I lived in the city I made the best choices I could and was as informed as "city folk" could be. I knew what was in my food.



I'll refrain from expressing my views and opinions on Monsanto as this is a public forum where strong verbage is frowned upon.
Suffice to say, they are not on my "like" list and I'll happily tell them to kiss my lily white... well, you know.
Your opinion of Monsanto is about the same as my opinion about fracking, because my ranch is in the middle of a huge natural gas play in which they are using fracking for extraction. I never use pesticides either, except for inside the house, and am careful about permitting any toxic chemicals from getting into my pasture (aside from deworming chemicals). But no matter how careful I am I know darn well the water tables around my ranch are contaminated, which really pi$$es me off...
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