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    03-29-2012, 03:12 PM
  #21
Trained
And here is another reason I am against it...public school systems. Increasingly, public schools find it there place to teach intolerance of anyone that doesn't champion homosexuality. I don't think its there place to bring it up - period..but I am not a "more equal" member of the intolerant society. With homosexual marriage, a gay teacher can further exhibit their homosexuality w the "its great, tolerance is a must and anything else will not be tolerated...oh, here is my honey" stuff. The intolerance of people that prefer their child NOT be subjected to this IS oppression.
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    03-29-2012, 03:17 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by FlyGap    
Any violent crime in my humble opinion is a hate crime, is it just a "strongly dislike" crime if you kill a person with your same ideals or ethnicity? Lol! You still got a warped reason for doing so!!
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    03-29-2012, 03:19 PM
  #23
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Edit : just realized I derailed to a different topic ...lol

Oh yay the drug talk is back on the table
It depends in theory I think lowering the drinking limit to 14 years of age will help minimize all the excessive drinking in 21 yo and would also lower the casualty in drinking in driving accidents. Also think its unfair someone candie for this country at the age of 18 but can't even have a drink legally...

Then to the narcotics. Considering marijiana(Sp) is one of the most grown crops in USA I would say legalize it. But it has to be run with strict lines. Must be sold out of a designated store, most be highly taxed, can only be paid for with a personal check or credit card, must have 2 forms of id to prove payment is from your account and not robbed from someone, make a phone call or to verify your record like they do when buying a gun... if there are any signs of problems such as charges related to drug use such as aggression,etc then they lose the right to buy product.. same goes for acid and shrooms... and I don't believe any of the mentioned drugs in this paragraph are addicting in themselves... the addiction that comes from these drugs is from the person finding an outlet to get out of the real world and into a temporary good place that they decide if they want.

However legalizing of cocaine and herione and such I don't think so...why I do not know I just think with all the fast addicitions they cause it could lead to a bigger problem.

Now then there is ecstacy... I would say legalize this as well and make so it has be used in designated areas only ...like clubs. The club has to get a licensing to distribute it like they do for alcohol and ppl will have to be stamped on the first for verification of who comes in, a different stamp/braclet for who was served ecstacy, and who wasn't. Anyone with the bracelet or stamp for taking the pill will only be served water anyone who did not take the pill can get the alcohol..

But everything again would have to be monitored... but that is just a quick glimps as to what I think
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    03-29-2012, 03:21 PM
  #24
Ink
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
First, there is no seperation of church and state in the constitution. The constitution says that congress shall make NO law regarding religion. That means that they can't legally establish religion in a school nor can they restrict religion in a school for example.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Fair enough, but I think it's been pretty well established through precedent how we've interpreted this statement.

Second, while I don't doubt this will be a hot button issue in the presidential election it shouldn't be. Again the constitution gives the federal government certain powers and determining who can get married is not one of them. This is a state issue and should stay a state issue.

What about back in the 1950's when inter-racial marriage wasn't recognized by all states? A couple was even arrested at one point when they crossed state lines. This was a matter that had to be decided by the supreme court, and same sex marriage will most likely end up going down the same road if it isn't decided upon nationally now.

Finally, if you want to live your life as a homosexual then go ahead. I will die to defend your right to do so BUT don't insist that I like it and don't insist on any protected status that makes a crime against you any worse than a crime against me (hate crime legislation). I totally agree, but by the same token legislation here in TN is currently being processed that will make anti-gay bullying (in schools specifically) all but un-punishable. I don't support gay marriage. I don't approve of homosexuals adopting children. Call me an old fashioed bigot but I just don't think it's right. I live in a very conservative state so I doubt I'll ever have to vote on it. California voted by a pretty good majority to not allow gay marriage and then some activist judges overturned it as against the constitution of California. That's for the people of California to deal with but I hope the people prevail. Again see above statement about interracial marriage. And I've already said my peace about the whole adoption thing :)

One reason that legalizing gay marriage is a slippery slope is the fact that many churchs don't want to allow gay marriages in thier church but if gay marriage was made legal then the churches could lose tax exempt status and risk prosecution for not allowing them. That takes us back to the first paragraph. I honestly don't think that will happen. It's not the governments right or responsibility to force a church to recognize, let alone perform, gay marriage any more that it's their responsibility to deny the right to marry to same sex couples.
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    03-29-2012, 03:23 PM
  #25
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I don't care one way or another about the choices one makes in there life, right or wrong it will be on their head in the end, not mine. I don't support gay marriage. I think marriage in general is a religious thing, and homosexuality obviously is not. If there was some other title we could give it to give those people the same rights, fine, but I don't agree with calling it a marriage.

For some people, being religious and their relationship with God is a very important thing in their life. I think the media cheapens this by constantly spouting that religion should have nothing to do with it. If gay people don't want their relationship cheapened, don't cheapen ours. Both sides should be able to say what they want, but I think forcing their life style into religion through marriage isn't right.
     
    03-29-2012, 03:27 PM
  #26
Trained
Flygap wants to talk drugs, whilst we are at it, Okay...Legalize it all. Tax any imported raw or finished materials 500%, or whatever is required to make it more expensive than american grown/prossesed. Life in prison for selling to anyone under 21! Ha!
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    03-29-2012, 03:34 PM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
Flygap wants to talk drugs, whilst we are at it, Okay...Legalize it all. Tax any imported raw or finished materials 500%, or whatever is required to make it more expensive than american grown/prossesed. Life in prison for selling to anyone under 21! Ha!

Agree on taxing all importing goods, taking away nafta, and giving tax cuts for companies that actually manufacture there WHOLE product here in USA
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    03-29-2012, 03:35 PM
  #28
Ink
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
And here is another reason I am against it...public school systems. Increasingly, public schools find it there place to teach intolerance of anyone that doesn't champion homosexuality. I don't think its there place to bring it up - period..but I am not a "more equal" member of the intolerant society. With homosexual marriage, a gay teacher can further exhibit their homosexuality w the "its great, tolerance is a must and anything else will not be tolerated...oh, here is my honey" stuff. The intolerance of people that prefer their child NOT be subjected to this IS oppression.

This could not be farther from the truth, especially here and in other conservative states. One Town's War on Gay Teens | Politics News | Rolling Stone This article just gets my blood boiling, and as a fair warning it's pretty hard to read. And similar legislation is on it's way through in TN. Legislation that prevents teachers from even acknowledging harassment of GLBT students, because it they have to remain "neutral" on the topic. Legislation with language so vague that teachers will be powerless to help students who are being bullied or are even just confused for fear of losing their jobs. Unfortunately, many people in my area share your feelings, and it's viewpoints like that, that are allowing this mess to get pushed through.

What's wrong with a little tolerance? I'm not asking you to agree with it, and I'm certainly not asking you to participate in it. But what's wrong with a little respect for one another?
     
    03-29-2012, 03:36 PM
  #29
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I AM LAUGHING SOOOOOOO HARD!!!! Missy May!

We don't have to change the subject yet.
I agree with you 1,000% on the pressure put on children to accept some of these issues when it's not exactly something that should be discussed at their age. Which is sex, and the preference thereof. They should be ignorant of the whole deal, taught that they are too mentally and physically immature to enjoy it, and need to be shown HUGE NASTY photos of STD's!! LOL!

I'll get on the Drug Talk if anyone is ready!!

EDIT: Ink I think the problem is that the gay children flaunt the issue. They go around telling people, whereas I think a child should be silenced if they went around telling other children how much they wanted to boff the other sex. Where I went to school people just understood the difference, they didn't flaunt it. It should not be discussed at school, sexuality belongs at home. They are also taught how to interact with a society of sorts, be honorable, compete, and excell. Sex should not even be an issue unless you are talking about the dangers of and the process of birth, which all belongs at home IMHO. That's why I send my kid to private, I'm the one that handles that.
     
    03-29-2012, 03:41 PM
  #30
Trained
I just need to make a couple more comments. For those of you that support gay marriage what about polygamy? If it's okay for Adam and Steve then what about Jack and Jill and Mary?

Also Rolling Stone is about the worst example of jouralistic integrity in the whole published world. Regardless of what they write about you can just about gaurantee that they have warped the story for thier own purposes.
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