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View Poll Results: Who mainly favors letting undocumented workers in
Conservatives -- mainly Republicans 1 7.69%
Liberals -- mainly Democrats 2 15.38%
Agriculture - Farmers, ranchers, fruit and vegitable growers 3 23.08%
Businessmen - they want cheap labor 0 0%
Politicians -- they want more votes 1 7.69%
All of the above 6 46.15%
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post #21 of 24 Old 06-23-2012, 05:29 PM
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During the last depression there were illegals in this country - they left for the most part when the economy went belly up. Fast forward, its not happening. You would have to have congress address those issues that keep them here and keep them coming. Welfare comes to mind, medical, dental, public school system, judicial "assistance", free college tuition, illegal drugs, too. Also, the border was patrolled and if someone fired on border patrol back then, no one would have been sued if they fired back. Horses were employed for a great deal of border patrol, too. Jobs for US horses...gone.

Before massive federal taxing and resulting wasteful spending and unbridled power of congress, individuals could hire individuals to do work for them. Maids, gardeners, nannies, etc.,. Not "rich" individuals, just the plain old middle class. Today, the average individual can't afford such help, even though both spouses are working, b/c congress has decided they know better than the individual how to spend the individual's money - and to whom to give it to. And, they have made it "seem" as if people that do such jobs (maid, gardener) deserve not to, unless ... and only unless they do so for a very wealthy family. So, blaming it on large corporations is not entirely fair. I don't remember corporations lobbying for federal taxes - the fed, yes..of course, but not Chryster or Ford, Bell, etc.,.

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post #22 of 24 Old 06-23-2012, 07:25 PM
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Who mainly favors letting undocumented workers in
Well is true Reagan sign a Law in 1986 that was sponsored by A Democrat Mazzoli and and a Republican Simpson.

Here were the main components:
  • required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.
  • made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.
  • granted amnesty to certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.
  • granted amnesty to illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously.

Hart a Democrat introduced a Bill in 1965 and heavily supported by
Kennedy a Democrat that was signed by Johnson a Democrat

Kennedy and Morrison both Democrats proposed another Bill in 1990

Durbin a Democrat and Hatch a Republican intruded the Dream Act in 2001

Specter a Democrat also Introduced another Bill in 2006

Reid a Democrat introduces a Bill in 2007

The Dream Act resurfaced again in 2009 with the Obama administration Democrats

Now Obama wants 800k illegals forgiven 2012

So lets look at the Statement "Conservatives favor Cheap Labor from Illegals".....

Republican - 2

Democrats - 8

Unless my Calculator broke the Democrats have always favored the Illegal Immigrant.

It seems there was a lot of Regan Bashing, that is unfortunate, the real issue is 30 years later, today.
But as far as the Busting of Unions, I too have friends in the Unions and have had for over 35 years at some point or another.
I can tell you most did not stay, the ones still there have so much seniority they would be crazy to leave, almost every one that was and has been in a Union will tell you they are a joke.
Unions had a place at one time and to some point they still have a place, but most have gotten out of control, this is the consensuses of 14 of the 15 friends and acquaintances I know fairly well.

Reagan was one of the Best Presidents in my lifetime, he may have busted a few Unions, he actually had a couple of other faults too, no one is perfect, but bringing up and defaming him could be done in another Thread about Unions and not "Undocumented Workers"........

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post #23 of 24 Old 06-23-2012, 07:56 PM
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This issue is about Big Buisness wanting cheap labour if the jobs were not here and were anot easy to get undocumented workers would not come.
Mexican immigration is now at a standstill with an equal number of workers going back to Mexico as are coming in.
That is from the Pew Hispanic Center.
in fact we may have fewer people coming than are going back.
A bill introduced in 2005 by Ted Kennedy and John McCain with support of Pres. Bush would have provided a legal path for undocumented workers to attain citizenship but was defeated.
That piece of legislation may not have been perfect but it was a step toward reform.
Something that is truly needed. Shalom
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post #24 of 24 Old 06-23-2012, 08:07 PM
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Thanks DB, I missed one in 2005

Republican - 3
Democrats - 9

I think everyone agrees, something needs to be done. We are still over 8% un-employment and I honestly do not see it going below 7.5% for another year.

Almost all of my Hispanic friends are against these Amnesty Bills, some have lived in the US all their lives, the others came here Legally and went thru all the Red Tape and Expense, a good majority of them have been hurt a lot worse in the last few years by the Economy, a lot worse than my non-hispanic friends.


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