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post #11 of 19 Old 05-30-2012, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kait18 View Post
as you see uniforms alone will not solve the problem of disrespectful children. they only way to solve that is for parents to fix the childs behavior from home and give the schools authority to punish during there time of guardianship over the child. without boundaries schools are just going to get worse and parents should not complain about why there child isn't getting the best schooling through public school when most don't punish or set boundaries at home for there children to learn proper behavior.

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post #12 of 19 Old 05-30-2012, 10:16 AM
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I went to a school that required a uniform, I loved it. Never had to think about what to wear, no competitiveness with respect to brands/styles, and I also liked wearing the school colours.

I also think that a nice uniform looks wonderful in school photos, everyone looks well dressed, neat and tidy.

As it relates to improving behaviour, what a bunch of bulldust. People are so quick to attribute bad behaviour to extraneous issues. If a child is behaving badly, the clothing isn't to blame. There is a saying that says it takes a whole village to raise a child. Therefore bad behaviour is a result of a combination of bad parenting, poor choice in peers and inefficient teaching on behalf of the adults involved. Not jeans vs. pinafores.

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I do not think uniforms play any role in creating discipline in a school.
The discipline comes in when the parents step up and side with the school. The parents dont need to agree with the uniform, but they need to agree with the fact that dress codes exist, everywhere in life, formal or informal and that just the way it is, deal with it.

I went to a Catholic school the first 9 years of my school life. When the discussion of dress codes came up there were three groups. One group were the parents supported it and their kids just shut up and accepted it, one group where the parents were indifferent and if the uniforms came, their kids would be coming to school in them. And then the parents who said they never had uniforms and did just fine. Their kids bashed the idea.
You can do the same thing with the idea of homework.
For me, my parents weren't strict when it came to my schooling, but they had minimum requirements before I would get in trouble. From THEM. I couldn't give a rats behind if the principal called me into the office when I was in high school. The embarrassing part didn't work for me. There was even a warrant out for my truck at one point and the cop waited until just after I was off the school property to get me. It just became a laughing joke. (I didn't do anything wrong, my dad was aware of this situation, it was actually him he had me not drive my truck and let things "cool down" which lead to the warrant) But get in trouble from parents? That sucked. So my grades couldn't slide (yes fluctuation was allowed and for classes like math it was okay to just barely pass. But if my social grade dropped they'd get after me) and if I skipped class, be upfront about it and at least have a valid reason (bridge jumping was a valid reason for a home ec class. Funeral would be a valid reason for a math class)

So I'm of the group that thinks parents need to pull up their socks and actually parent. I know its hard to find what works for your particular kid (I don't think my brother would have been able to handle the same amount of lee-way as I did in high school) but its just pathetic to pass your kids off and hope someone else teaches them. Or to change their clothes and think you changed what's underneath.
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I went to a private catholic school through 6th grade that required uniforms. I than moved to a public school where you could wear whatever you want.

My thoughts:

Picking out clothes at a uniform school is easier you never have to worry what your going to wear.... or if it is "cool" enough for the other kids.

Im assuming it is a LOT easier on parents pocketbooks. You need only 3-4 outfits for the whole year vs. 20 plus.

it makes everyone "uniform" ... where lower income kids are not teased because of cheap clothes vs abercrombie etc...

HOWEVER.. it is a lot harder to express yourself... no deviations from the code. The plaid is often itchy and hot.. and girls had to wear skirts which you can obviously see the problem in that year round.
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Parochial schools have a different value and expectation system than public schools do. THAT is what makes the difference - the uniform shows the unity behind their philosophy and belief. So if, "the biggest contrast between the schools is style of dress" is all your teacher sees, then he/she is isn't understanding what he/she is looking at. It's not the uniform, but the culture and value system that the uniform REPRESENTS that is the difference. Just as putting on a cop's uniform won't magically transform me into a cop, putting on a school uniform won't magically make any student more disciplined.

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My view as one who went to schools with uniform and as a mum who has a six year old son about to transfer from school with uniform in the UK to no-uniform in Canada.

As a child, I remember being proud of my prep school uniform, I remember that our senior school uniform was so relaxed that we 'expressed' ourselves in the most hideous ways (anyone remember white fishnets over black tights?). Almost all schools in the UK have uniform, so our attitudes are probably different from in other countries. Our uniform is part of our 'tribe'. In the streets of south London you kept in groups of your own uniform - good or bad? I don't know?

As a parent I LOVE uniform - it's easy to organise for the week, it's cheaper than buying regular clothes, and it avoids all competitiveness about what is cool and what is not.

And as a regular volunteer on school trips, uniform is invaluable. Keeping track of a swarm of little people is easy if they're in uniform..... But well nigh impossible when they're not.

Does it bring about better discipline in schools? Of course not - that is down to the quality of the teaching staff, and the level of support they get from the parents.

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Well, the article seems to babble on to make a point that could have been said in 10 sentences or less. Just saying.

As far as uniforms go, there can be no question that kids put far more importance on style than any other age group - overall. So, I have always felt that the only people benefiting from "styles, fads, and gotta haves" are huge textile corporations and associated industries. Clothes are now almost exclusively produce in China, just as another consideration. I do not think the school yard is a place to push and peddle "styles" on kids. Uniforms makes it far easier for the parents and children. There is always "after school" to "express one's self".

As far as behavior and uniforms go, I think there would be some measurable difference since it is "behavior" to keep up with "whats accepted". If there were no pressure to "be in style" then kids wouldn't bother trying to be - hence, the pressure comes from "behavior" that would be absent where uniforms were required.

Comparing private schools to public w respect to behavior and uniforms requirements cannot be done in-as-much as the parents of children that attend private schools tend to be far more involved in their children's education - overall. However, I can say this - my daughter attends a private school. It does not require uniforms, but has a strict dress code. The kids that attend that school are very well mannered and well behaved...not b/c they don't wear uniforms, but b/c misbehavior is not tolerated. That is what determines how kids behave.

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I too attended a private school and as previously posted, I liked that I didn't have to decide what to wear to school. One thing with uniforms is one doesn't hear snide remarks about someone's outfit.
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Im British, and always wore a uniform. It's not like there was a choice, so really no one questioned it. I honestly think there would be an uproar from parents if school uniforms were stopped.

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