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post #21 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 02:09 AM
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With groups like Peta, any attention forwards their goal, whether it be good or bad attention. As long as they are talked about they are happy. I dislike PETA.
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post #22 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by walkingwest View Post
Well, let me tell you a story about these PETA idiots!!
Several years ago a recently divorced friend of mine and her to children rented a place in the country, that used to be a mink farm, had'nt had mink on it for years. They had a couple horses and about 6 rabbits. Now these were the kids 4-H rabbits, cute little holland lops, that they had raised themselves. These were pet rabbits not meat rabbits. Anyway they housed the animals in the end of one of mink barns. This friend and her kids were huge animal lovers. The animals were treated amazingly wonderful.
One day they came home from school and work the kids went out to feed the animals they found all the cages open 2 rabbits scared shaking in the corner of
the barn. and never could find the rest. Since they lived next to the woods chances are coyotes got them.
So the point of the story. A few days later a little story in the local paper came out that a group was taking credit for liberating rabbits that were caged and being housed on a mink farm , that were going to be killed and used for fur.
These people by letting the rabbits loose killed and basiclly turtured them. They know nothing about animals or how to care for them. Anyone with any sence could see these were well cared for pets.
My friends kids were devastated!!
What about that story when PETA let all ferrets (I believe) out at the farm. Half of them died under car wheels, other half killed most of chickens at the farms around. How humane that is? I just don't get it.

BTW PETA is often considered as "domestic terrorist organization". At least by authorities in my state.

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post #23 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 03:22 PM
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i hate peta... they stick there nose into everything.
do they not know the research that has been conducted. more than 80% of animals released back into nature whether it be wild then tamed to back to wild or born in captivity and released to wild die almost immediately on their own because they cannot fit into a pack,pod, etc.
they should stick with basic rules and leave things to people who know what pros and cons come of such change in living. it sounds so romantic to release an animal but its not most of the time
sorry to start ranting... stuff like this makes me mad because its only doing more harm
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post #24 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 03:30 PM
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PETA's been pretty dormant for a while (by their standards, anyway), and I would bet that this is their great new scheme to warrant lots of attention and new supporters; their way of letting the world know they're still here. Not that it's easy to forgot, however hard some of us might try...
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post #25 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 06:59 PM
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I don't know. I HATE PeTA with a passion, but there has been a fairly large movement by scientists (who aren't associated with PeTA in any way) to give dolphins the status of "non-human persons" due to an overwhelming amount of new research that shows that they match, if not exceed, the intelligence of humans.

I believe dolphins are the only other animals that have names for each other, just like humans do, and have an adult human level of self-awareness.

However, I *think* this was just talking about bottlenose dolphins. I don't think orcas are *as* advanced as some other dolphins.

And yes, orcas are dolphins ;)
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post #26 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 10:22 PM
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Really. Where is this evidence showing that dophins are smarter than people, besides the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?
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post #27 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 10:24 PM
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Really. Where is this evidence showing that dophins are smarter than people, besides the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?
In this day in age, I really wouldn't doubt it being true. But eh that's just me. It would be typical human behavior to deny another creature being more intelligent.

Cause you know we are "superior" over everything on the planet.

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post #28 of 31 Old 10-27-2011, 10:36 PM
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I didn't say they were smarter than people, I said they *might* be. Here's one article. Read the whole thing, it's rather impressive, especially the part where dolphins and humans took the same amount of time to figure out a problem.

Why dolphins are deep thinkers | Science | The Guardian

This is a bit older, but it's one of the most interesting out there. There's been some more discoveries since then.

Scientists say dolphins should be treated as non-human persons

Here's on of the articles about believing dolphins should be granted personhood.
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"Scientists studying dolphin behavior have suggested they could be the most intelligent creatures on Earth after humans...."

I have read both articles, and neither suggests or even hints at the fact they may be more intelligent than humans. Very intelligent, yes, of that there is no doubt. So are elephants and pigs and parrots....parrots are very, scary, smart.

And on that note, it absolutely is long past time for us to stop treating such species like property.
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The "they are smarter than humans" thing is based on mere anecdote, not research. We can't know for sure that they AREN'T smarter than us, given that, intelligence and emotion wise, they are the closest to us :)

As for my own, personal belief, I think they are about equal to us. I've interacted with them many times, and they have such a human-like look in their eye, that I have never seen in any other animal (besides humans, of course.) It is amazing how they interact with us, like they are part of our own species.

I've spoken to a few dolphin trainers for Seaworld, and they are always talking about how the dolphins will pull tricks on them and then laugh about it!
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