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    09-28-2010, 09:29 PM
GAAAH! I accidentally hit the post button before I had edited and finished writing. Lemme try that again!

Back to the original topic : )

This year our senior school was gathered into the Chapel and told one of our class mates as died and nothing more. The next day we were brought back in and told he had committed suicide. I didn't personally know him but I knew of him. He was a grade up from me. Basically what happened is that he felt trapped in something and the only way out was to kill himself.

I think suicide is absolutely devastating, I have seen the effects it can have on a community. I can see why it can be seen as the cowards way out, when someone doesn't want to face up to what they've done so they do this. But a lot of the time it COULD have been fixed and that person could have lived on. I recently discovered a girl on youtube that had lost her horse and her best friend so she killed herself. This is where I think it is sad. She had so much ahead of her and she just threw it all away. I mean, If I lost my horse and best friend I would be so sad for a long time but I think overall I would be able to stay alive because I know that there are so many people that would be affected.

That's just my view.

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    09-28-2010, 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by Solon    
Tenesse - your statement proves that you don't have a good understanding either.

I think when you both get older and more experiences you'll have a better understanding. You might still disagree but you'll understand what others are saying. You are both a little to young to really see what happens outside the safety of childhood.
You really should get to know someone before making the assumption they do not have the life experience to understand these kind of things.

As a matter of fact, I'm was in substance abuse therapy twice a week last year because I turned to alcohol when no one was there for me, including my parents who care more about making money than they do about me. I understand what it's like to have no where left to turn, but I finally got help for myself.

I could go on about my "experiences," but I fear that they are not appropriate for HF.

I may be young, but I'm not stupid.
    09-28-2010, 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Solon    

I've been really surprised though, at how many people have been leaving the Christian religion. So many people I know and grew up with. I think we are going to see a big shift over the next few decades religious wise and a lot of it has to do with what we are talking about in this thread.
I agree. Its almost like a repeat of history when we emerged from the medieval times with a whole new idea of what should be valued in this world and began to question the whole blind faith following that seemed to be the accepted view of those times. Its like once again we are saying wait, what? Do we really believe this? Does this really make sense?
I think questioning is great, it helps us figure out things and be able to figure out what we should and shouldnt believe. Times are getting tough, and people are moving away from God I think because they are realizing "God" isnt doing what He claims to do, He isnt protecting/delivering us like scriptures say He should.
    09-28-2010, 09:34 PM
Green Broke
But you are speaking from the outside looking in. Unless you know the inner torment, you don't know why that person did what they did. I think that's the point a lot of us are trying to get across.

If you aren't that person you don't know the depths of the struggle to not want to go on. People in that state are so tormented that how loved ones will feel doesn't come into play. Those loved ones aren't going through hell. I'd question how selfish it is of someone to want those people to stay and suffer like they are.

Sure things can't get turned around. For a lot of people this happens. But you always know you were there. Right on the edge.
    09-28-2010, 09:36 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Tennessee    
You really should get to know someone before making the assumption they do not have the life experience to understand these kind of things.

As a matter of fact, I'm was in substance abuse therapy twice a week last year because I turned to alcohol when no one was there for me, including my parents who care more about making money than they do about me. I understand what it's like to have no where left to turn, but I finally got help for myself.

I could go on about my "experiences," but I fear that they are not appropriate for HF.

I may be young, but I'm not stupid.
I was going by your statement. And by the statement you wrote, I stand by what I said then. What you did was to have more strength then a lot of people. It's a lot harder to pull yourself out of it then to just go for it and end your life. A lot of people don't have that strength. That does not make them a coward.
    09-28-2010, 09:37 PM
Suicide IS a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I don't think anyone on here will say suicide is ever a good option.
However we are saying that as logical, sound-minded individuals.

The problem is that when you are at that point, you are not thinking rationally or logically.
That horse and that friend could have been all the student had. Some people can get through completely devastating things and not think of suicide. Others lose a horse and feel like suicide is the only option. Instead of spreading the idea that only cowards commit suicide, we should instead open up ourselves to these people instead of judging them and attempting to understand their minds which is impossible. It is incredibly hard to ask for help and admit that you can't handle your life on your own. When you are at that point getting dressed sounds as difficult as climbing mount everest. I think it's important to try to UNDERSTAND and break the stigmas attached to suicide.

What do you mean by "someone doesn't want to face up to what they've done" ?
    09-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Green Broke
That was a really great reply Spastic.

It's not a good option - but it's the only option many people think they have. If I lost my horse, I would be unconsolable. Silly? Perhaps. It's just the relationship I have with my horse. Some people are more deeply connected to critters and that one friend that's been there your whole life and when you lose that - I could see that girls despair.
    09-28-2010, 09:43 PM
I've been through a stage in my life like that. Perhaps not to that point of sheer hopelessness but I've been pretty **** close. I cried everyday, I never felt wanted all that stuff, I didn't see the point of getting outta bed every morning to just break down again through the day BUT I still couldn't see how killing myself would help. Maybe I just think that way but to me, killing myself was never an option and I've felt pretty hopeless sometimes.

I've seen what death can do to a family. My brother died of cancer when he was 18. I know how hard it is for people to move on, my mum still cries and I get upset and I can't even remember him. It's a ripple effect, one person dies and everyone around them is affected.

Suicide is one of the most horrible things on this earth, to know someone felt so hopeless that they had to do that. It absolutely devastates families, but I have to agree with what you said, they aren't worrying about that are they?
    09-28-2010, 09:52 PM

I'm a Christian but I don't believe people who commit sucide go to hell. I guess I'm a Christian with my own beliefs mixed in there. I've had...friends commit sucide and they honeslty have no idea how hard it hit everyone left behind. I understand they were struggling and finally hopefully found some peace. I had a friend that was diagnosed with depression and every medicene they put him on either made him even more depressed or his moods changed so rapidly that he was miserable. They wanted to put him in a mental hospital. He was 17. He ended his life and honestly, I can understand why he did it. Who'd want to live like that?
    09-28-2010, 10:04 PM
Now, mental hospitals are not exactly bad things. They CAN help certain people, they have helped at least two people I know. Not a majority by any means but they can do some good. They will not return you to stablity for good, because I think depression is a permanant thing and a person affected by it will always battle against it. They do give you a different outlook and the ability to at least go home for a little while longer a little bit happier, sometimes you can spend a couple weeks there and go home stable enough to live the rest of your life, I've seen it done.
But its rough, I had to go there to visit and it was hard. The people there seemed so gone its hard to explain, but its scary and sad. But the whole situation, hospital or not is scary and it is sad and incredibly rough, that's why people end up giving up and I don't really blame them at all.
No one wants to live like that, that's the thing, no one enjoys mental pain and torment that's why they commit sucide.
Theres a breaking point in every human, its the human condition, none of us are iron men who can say "my husband died, I lost my job etc. Oh well, time to move on", Its not going to happen and no one should be blamed for that. Its not right, and if God condemns people for that and expects them to never break down even though he created them to i'm not sure Heaven would be such a great place to be after all.

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