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post #11 of 317 Old 09-24-2010, 11:34 PM
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Hmm.. That makes me want to think about taking a college course on religion.. Very interesting... *researching right now* lol... ah! iv gotten off the topic i was researching lol dadgumet lol
You'll find that things like suicide are usually covered in these classes because what happens to the soul is a key element in many religions.

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I willingly went to church when I was younger, though my parents did not. Not long after going I simply realized I didn't agree with the teachings and began to find the whole thing silly (not trying to be offensive in any way, just my personal experience with the church I attended). It did help me in a few ways through a rough patch but I would not consider myself a christian. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for as long as I can remember I have just assumed we were reincarnated. I think "truth" should be entirely based on your own opinions.

As for the suicide issue and the fact I don't often think about heaven and hell even being options after death I would say I do not think those who end it are condemned. I'd like to think they'd follow the path much like a buddhist would in their reincarnation, most likely getting "downgraded" in their next life as a lesson to become a better soul.
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I think it takes a hell of a lot of courage to kill yourself. Your body's instinct is survival so doing something that purposely goes against that presents some serious conflicting drama in your head. However, some things are just so bad, that you can push yourself past that and be able to do it.

Your point is right on about what God gives people that they can handle. I questioned that for years as I seen friends and family go through horrendous things.

1st part- I completely agree.. there is a line between when you think about doing it, when you are seconds away from committing suicide, and when you really do it... I agree, those people are courageous. I mean if they are at that bad of a point in their life that means they made it through some pretty hard situations in my opinion..

2nd part- I have seen it too.. I have seen families be tore apart from homicide,suicide,and etc.. And most people/ families make it through it.. but then there is the few occassions where they didnt. And it is just things that I ponder on wondering why would some live through things then others not..

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I think the things that led a person to commit suicide aren't left behind when they reincarnate. I think they can follow a person until the person gets strong enough to confront the issues. I don't think that applies to people who commit suicide because of ailing health though - I'm talking about healthy people.

My state was one of the first to do assisted suicides. There was a huge outcry over it. I thought, WTH, you'd rather see your loved ones die slowly and in pain instead of giving them a choice with their own life. It's a selfish gesture on the part of loved ones.

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Why some give up and some don't - sometimes your soul is so broken with grief that it just can't go on anymore.

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I was and still am a big fan of Dr. Kevorkian. Euthanization is acceptable for animals, why should people be made to suffer a crueler fate than our beasts of burden?

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Exactly! If you see the people that want to do it trying to beg their family to let them go with dignity - and instead have their families deem them as mentally unable to make the decision. It's sickening.

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I can't say I would advocate Dr. Kevorkian...but I certainly wouldn't have wanted him to be forced out of business. If someone is an adult and legitimately wants to be put down...that's their choice.
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I willingly went to church when I was younger, though my parents did not. Not long after going I simply realized I didn't agree with the teachings and began to find the whole thing silly (not trying to be offensive in any way, just my personal experience with the church I attended). It did help me in a few ways through a rough patch but I would not consider myself a christian. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for as long as I can remember I have just assumed we were reincarnated. I think "truth" should be entirely based on your own opinions.

As for the suicide issue and the fact I don't often think about heaven and hell even being options after death I would say I do not think those who end it are condemned. I'd like to think they'd follow the path much like a buddhist would in their reincarnation, most likely getting "downgraded" in their next life as a lesson to become a better soul.

I grew up in a baptist church.. then went to a christian school... It helped me and also hendered/pushed me away.. You can NOT drown a person in beliefs everyday and say that is the ONLY way.. I am a believer in God.. I do not belong to a denomination nor go to church.. But my belief in God still stands and is probably stronger then most christians that attend church regularly..

There shouldnt be any offense taken on this thread... just to clarify to everyone.. I made this so people could express their feelings about suicide.. if you want to add religious views in there too that's fine. I am more than willing to hear other people's opinions.. if anyone gets offended then just leave the thread.. lol..

good point about the suicide!

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Sometimes they need assistance to do it right. So they get the right dosage and don't end up making it worse. So, the Dr. Kevorkians of the world are necessary.

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