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    09-30-2010, 02:34 AM
At the most basic lavel I believe it started out as survival. Allying. Building friendships increases our networking and group support as well as mental health. The idea that if we do not harm someone, we are thus safer because they will not harm us.

Lots and lots of trial and error that has built the basic culture of our species and allowed for us to survive and thrive.
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    09-30-2010, 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Solon    
I can say that. I don't know you. I know the people I have talked with in support groups. I've never heard one of them say God was with them when they asked for help. So God was with you, you're lucky then I guess. But it wasn't God that helped me out. And it wasn't God that helped out the others I know of.
To be fair you never said you had to know the person, you just said you'd never heard one person say it.

The thing is, if they were helped at all, God had a hand in it.
    09-30-2010, 03:14 AM
Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
I've heard this before and it seems so contradictory. God created everything. Before God, there was nothing. So therefore, God must of created evil. If God is challenging us with suicidal thoughts or the things that lead us to these thoughts, God is responsible for Pain.

God created the earth, the heavens, man and beast. He gave us free will and WE are responsible for the evil in the world. Before Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, the world was evil free. He then instead of killing Adam and Eve, out of love, spared them and taught them a lesson by making them work to survive. He didn't think "Hmm, this Garden of Eden thing is going to smooth, I think it would be fun to watch chaos. I think I'll create evil." We chose to disobey God and break the one rule God had. Being naturally sinful beings we had to disobey. And the devil, a fallen angel who also had free will is the one that puts those thoughts in our minds to lead us astray, not God.
    09-30-2010, 03:58 AM
Yeah but why are we different? And you have to admit we other animal attempts to preserve the weak and the old
    09-30-2010, 10:28 AM
Originally Posted by Surprise 623    
yeah but why are we different? And you have to admit we other animal attempts to preserve the weak and the old
That's not exactly true.

Water buffalos protect their weak and old. They've been known to go back and confront lions and hyenas as a group in order to rescue a fallen comrade.

Elephants also protect the very young and the aged against predators, and have even been known to take food back to an ailing comrade.

Humans are unique in that we've been able to make the natural world conform to us, not the other way around. Animals work in conjunction with nature, and live or die based on the the vagaries of weather and food supplies. Humans have wrested quite a bit of control from the natural world and manage to survive en masse, even during natural disasters.

We are unique, but not necessarily for the reasons you believe.
    09-30-2010, 03:58 PM
God created the "snake" and the fig tree with the "apple". He created temptation and the evil, just warned against it.

If we are naturally sinful, God created us that way. We had no sin until the "apple encounter". We were created in God's image according to the bible and up until then were pure. God is the one who put the temptation in the first place.

Who created Satan then? Where did he come from?
    09-30-2010, 03:59 PM
That's a good question. But I think he was one of Gods angels...then he turned against God. Am I correct?
    09-30-2010, 03:59 PM
C'mon Spastic, you know where Satan came from. Lucifer was one of the archangels, according to Biblical tenets. In fact, wasn't he God's favorite until he decided to rebel? 'It's better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven'.

If God is supposed to know everything, why didn't He know that Lucifer was going to rebel? And if He did, what was the purpose in letting him go through with the rebellion?

I know I sound like an atheist, but I'm not. I very much believe in God. If one believes in ultimate evil, one must necessarily also believe in ultimate good. I believe they're two halves of the same whole, not complete opposites.
    09-30-2010, 04:06 PM
Exactly. He was one of God's angels created and loved by him.

So if the fallen angel Lucifer could have greed/pride (by wanting to rule and not follow God) where did he get that from? He never ate an apple.
    09-30-2010, 04:08 PM
I know the question was directed towards me, but I would like to answer:)

If God didnt let Satan become Satan, then where would all the sinners (or whatever you want to call them) go?

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