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    09-30-2010, 04:11 PM
God imbues free will into His creations, not blind obedience. I would imagine that He gave the same to His angels.

What really frosted Lucifer's tuna was that God set humankind above the angels, when they were there first. Lucifer figured they were the firstborn, so shouldn't have to play second fiddle to such a flawed creation.

Of course, that's all speculation. God's angels aren't without their flaws either, if you read between the lines.
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    09-30-2010, 04:12 PM
Your edit said what I was trying to figure out how to say but couldn't, SR. Satan is the yin to gods yang (or yang to yin. Can't remember which is which). God would have allowed it to happen because he is all knowing and all powerful.

According to this, God and Lucifer are pretty much equal. God just rules the "light" and Satan the "dark". For good to exist, evil has to exist too in many ways. I just figure God and Satana are in cahoots with eachother. Otherwise God could just kill Satan (or however you take out a rogue angel). I still don't think this means that Satan will rule your moral compass unless you have a bible because with the help of this line of the conversation it just doesn't add up.
    09-30-2010, 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
Your edit said what I was trying to figure out how to say but couldn't, SR. Satan is the yin to gods yang (or yang to yin. Can't remember which is which). God would have allowed it to happen because he is all knowing and all powerful.

According to this, God and Lucifer are pretty much equal. God just rules the "light" and Satan the "dark".

I would think that God is more powerful. I mean, he helps us on a day-to-day basis not give into temptation. Plus, Satan has not overpowered him, so he must be more powerful.

And again, if God destroyed Satan, would there even be a hell? Would people have a choice of believeing or dis-believeing, or would they just automatically go to heaven? So I think there is a reason for Satan.
    09-30-2010, 04:25 PM
Because he helps us rather than tempts us, he's just the good half of the duo. Doesn't mean he's not powerful. If satan weren't powerful then he wouldnt be out there tempting people and messing with their free will.

For the idea of heaven and hell to exist, Satan has to exist, you're right. That's why I am saying is that God and Satan are a partnership. Just like in every other religion how there is Good and Evil, one can not exist without the other.
    09-30-2010, 04:28 PM
True, True. I guess I just feel that God is always more powerful.

Got this from a website-

Satan will not ever win. Satan's eternal fate awaits him on the Day of Judgement; the lake of fire and brimstone.
Another aspect of Satan personality is that, because of his rebellion against God, he has doomed himself to a miserable existence. As a result of this he hates the rest of us so much that he wants as many of us to share in his misery as he can. He may know that he will ultimately lose the battle for control of this world, but he doesn't care as long as he can spread the misery around.

    09-30-2010, 04:28 PM
Yep Spastic, Yin and Yang, good and evil, black and white, darkness and light. We cannot have one without the other.

What people don't seem to understand is that God gave Satan dominion over the Earth. Satan rules Hell, and has dominion over this world. He doesn't rule the Earth, but he has the ability to sway people one way or the other.

All animals belong to God, because they have no concept of free will. They run primarily on instinct. God created angels and man to worship Him freely, not because He MADE them to just blindly follow.
    09-30-2010, 04:30 PM

I agree. Becasue I believe that is what seperates heaven from earth (other aspects too, just the main thing)
    09-30-2010, 04:35 PM
Exactly the point I am trying to get across, Speed Racer. God has a level of responsibility (using that term kind of loosely) in evil. He allows it to happen even if he isn't the one causing it to happen.

The reason I am saying is that one is not more powerful than the other is like what I said before. For evil (satan) to exist, there must be good. And vice versa.
I don't really see Satan as being miserable.

SR, maybe you know since I believe a few posts ago you said you believed in God. Not sure if this means you read the Bible...

But when the day of judgment does come, assuming God wins and all the believers go and live with God in heaven does the bible say what happens to free will? Can you then fall from heaven? I'm assuming that you can't rise from hell...
    09-30-2010, 04:39 PM
Green Broke
You can't have good without evil or evil without good. You'll find that in every belief system.
    09-30-2010, 04:46 PM
Once the ultimate day of judgment comes, everyone will be judged according to God's standards. What exactly those standards are has been hotly debated by better minds than mine.

There is no mention of free will after final judgment, but I would assume it goes on. Being in a glorified state, those who have been chosen to be with God will be unable to sin. It just won't be in them to do so. Not that God will forbid it, just that they will have no desire to sin.

However, the final judgment doesn't come at the time Christ comes back a second time. Many people think that's the case, but it's not.

There will be 1,000 years of peace, during which time Christ will rule the Earth and its inhabitants. Anyone who survived the Apocalypse can make their choice to either follow God or Satan. They will still have that choice.

Once the 1,000 years of peace are up, the Earth and possibly the whole universe will be destroyed. That's when the final judgment will happen, and all who have died before will either go to Heaven with God or to Hell with Satan.

Both places will have their final number of inhabitants, and neither will be able to go from one place to the other. So if you wind up in Hell after the final judgment, you're stuck there forever.

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