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post #21 of 317 Old 09-24-2010, 10:48 PM
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katie - you had brought God up in your original post so I assumed this was also a religious discussion.

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I always have to laugh when someone says it's the 'cowards way out'. I don't believe that could be further than the truth. Of course it takes courage to get through whatever has gotten you to that point. But people do not just wake up one day and decide they are going to kill themselves. Courage has gotten them so far and they need help for the rest. They have no tools left in their toolbox to deal with life.

In February, I was in a 72 hour suicide crisis center. My entire life I have dealt with depression issues and suicide had been a fleeting thought. In February though I can tell you I was someone else. The most courageous thing I did was check myself into the ER but I can tell you that had I have followed through with it, it would not have been because I was a coward or because I wanted to die. Instead it would have been because I wanted to not feel the way I was feeling. Unless you have been to that point it is very difficult to comprehend the thoughts and emotions that you go through as well as what it feels like to get to that point.

As far as heaven and hell, I don't believe in it in the literal sense. I do not believe someone who kills themselves will burn in an eternal fire. Luke says "blessed are those who weep for they shall laugh". This is the point where I believe in reincarnation and I lose faith in an omnipotent God.
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I was and still am a big fan of Dr. Kevorkian. Euthanization is acceptable for animals, why should people be made to suffer a crueler fate than our beasts of burden?

I see where you are coming from..

In my opinion, when you take someone off of life support isnt that also ending their life? So if a person decides for themselves the pain is too much then they have the right to do what they please im medical situations.

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I definitely think you have a point katie, "drowning" someone in beliefs and not acknowledging others is no way to help someone form their own idea about the world. I'm happy you have found a way to worship that truly works for you, I know so many Christians that get stuck in following someone else's beliefs in a way...

Way to totally point out people can leave if they get offended by the way! So many people forget that. I just know religion can be touchy and I called my experience silly.
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katie - you had brought God up in your original post so I assumed this was also a religious discussion.

Oh haha.. I did? Lol.. oh yeah.. *hits head* duh I did.. lol..

Ok well discuss away! Lol.. I am interested to hear opinions about both..

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Oh, and as far as DNRs, Euthanasia for terminally ill patients, etc I am also fully supportive. Brings up an interesting point similar to what I have read about with lethal injection -- It goes against the Hippocratic Oath the doctors need, but we need the doctors to make sure it is safe and painless.
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I always have to laugh when someone says it's the 'cowards way out'. I don't believe that could be further than the truth. Of course it takes courage to get through whatever has gotten you to that point. But people do not just wake up one day and decide they are going to kill themselves. Courage has gotten them so far and they need help for the rest. They have no tools left in their toolbox to deal with life.

In February, I was in a 72 hour suicide crisis center. My entire life I have dealt with depression issues and suicide had been a fleeting thought. In February though I can tell you I was someone else. The most courageous thing I did was check myself into the ER but I can tell you that had I have followed through with it, it would not have been because I was a coward or because I wanted to die. Instead it would have been because I wanted to not feel the way I was feeling. Unless you have been to that point it is very difficult to comprehend the thoughts and emotions that you go through as well as what it feels like to get to that point.

As far as heaven and hell, I don't believe in it in the literal sense. I do not believe someone who kills themselves will burn in an eternal fire. Luke says "blessed are those who weep for they shall laugh". This is the point where I believe in reincarnation and I lose faith in an omnipotent God.

You took a big and brave step doing what you did. Congrats.

I am one of the people who can comprehend how you felt..Not getting into my experiences, but I do know what is it like. Everybody is different.. some just don't know why they feel the way they do, others are in pain, some just think life can't get better, some think noone cares, etc.


Thanks for your input about suicide and your personal experience

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Yep, good point katie.
It's important to remember about depression and feelings of suicide. Chronic issues are very different from episodic issues and have to be handled differently.

IE: Depression because you have a disorder and imbalance vs Depression over a breakup/death/divorce, etc.

Seems like a no brainer, but it kind of gives you a look into how the individual may think differently.
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I definitely think you have a point katie, "drowning" someone in beliefs and not acknowledging others is no way to help someone form their own idea about the world. I'm happy you have found a way to worship that truly works for you, I know so many Christians that get stuck in following someone else's beliefs in a way...

Way to totally point out people can leave if they get offended by the way! So many people forget that. I just know religion can be touchy and I called my experience silly.

I do too.. so many friends I have seen leave school, go to college and their belief is ripped apart.. if you don't know things about other religions how can you defend what you believe? You must research outside of class about your beliefs and the beliefs of others.

Well I understand there are many young people on here that can let their mouths run when it is not necessary. And not just young people... adults too.. but if you don't agree, then state your opinions respectfully or just don't even bother because noone will take you seriously.. or at least I wont.. lol

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Yep, good point katie.
It's important to remember about depression and feelings of suicide. Chronic issues are very different from episodic issues and have to be handled differently.

IE: Depression because you have a disorder and imbalance vs Depression over a breakup/death/divorce, etc.

Seems like a no brainer, but it kind of gives you a look into how the individual may think differently.
I agree..

For example, teens could be depressed over; pain,no friends,sexuality,hormones,abuse, and so forth.. yet an adult may be depressed because of financial woes,sickness,family issues, and so forth.. every person is different and must be helped differently.. and there is the people that feel and believe they can not be helped but I still feel that just maybe someone could help them..

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