your thoughts on suicide - Page 30
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Life Beyond Horses > General Off Topic Discussion

your thoughts on suicide

This is a discussion on your thoughts on suicide within the General Off Topic Discussion forums, part of the Life Beyond Horses category

     
    LinkBack Thread Tools
        09-30-2010, 10:58 PM
      #291
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    I'd love to! I've been pretty spoiled because there is a monestary near me. Much of my knowledge of Pagans and Buddists come from individuals but here are some good websites on the basics:

    An Introduction to Buddhism

    BuddhaNet - Worldwide Buddhist Information and Education Network



    The religion of Buddhism

    There's a monestary in Montana? How cool is that? I figured you'd have to go to India or somewhere like that. Thanks for the links.

    I stayed at a hotel in Seattle once that had a Christian bible and another bible. I can't remember what kind of bible it was, I'm thinking buddhist - but not sure. It was some pretty amazing reading. I stayed up half the night reading it then forgot to write down what it was and haven't been able to figure it out sense.
         
    Sponsored Links
    Advertisement
     
        09-30-2010, 11:02 PM
      #292
    Trained
    Yep! This is the one by me: Namdroling Tibetan Buddhist Center in Bozeman Montana They're Tibetian.

    Not sure where you are but...

    Oregon Buddhist Temple

    http://www.meditationinoregon.org/
         
        09-30-2010, 11:07 PM
      #293
    Green Broke
    Dang - in Oregon too?! Gees. I guess that would make sense that there would be temples in the states. I have no idea why I thought you would have to travel overseas to see them! Thanks!!
         
        09-30-2010, 11:11 PM
      #294
    Trained
    Haha. There's tons. And some really good podcasts and internet seminars.

    The Ashrams are normally still in India but I think there may be one in California too.
    More often than not you can find temples or classes nearby and then just go on a pilgrimage of sorts to India.
         
        10-01-2010, 12:33 AM
      #295
    Foal
    My viewpoints on suicide are pretty old fashioned. There are so many people who take their life for granted. I'm sorry, but anyone in America or any developed country that commits suicide is weak and selfish in my opinion. Do you know how many people starve to death? They don't kill themselves, even though they literally cannot function because they don't have food, they FIGHT to live and these people think that there life is so horrible it's worth dying over?

    About the only thing I could see being a time when I wouldn't think down of someone committing suicide is if they lose their only child. But then again, in my head, I don't know if you go to heaven or hell if you committ suicide, so why run the risk of never seeing them again?

    I would never say something to someone who had a family member committ suicide or ridicule someone who tried to committ suicide. Mistakes happen. But in my head, anyone who committs suicide for the sake of mental unhappiness clearly belongs in a mental hospital and the only justification is that they are chemically imbalanced or something.

    Not that I don't have sympathy, but I have no tolerance for it, either.
         
        10-01-2010, 12:36 AM
      #296
    Trained
    I have attempted to commit suicide as well as had a family member and a friend commit suicide. You just called me and those people weak. To me that is ridiculing it.
    That's fine you don't think it is a good solution. Neither do I. But try and be a bit less judgmental in your thoughts. Or at least more tactful about them.
         
        10-01-2010, 12:41 AM
      #297
    Foal
    -- and the talking about God not 'saving people' who are going to committ suicide..

    I view it this way (and you don't have to agree) while we are on Earth we view things with tunnel vision. When you get to heaven, it's like you just put on glasses and have 20/20 for the first time. You realize that earthly goods don't matter, and you realize that the 100 years you spend on Earth (happy or unhappy) is nothing in comparison to the eternity you spend in Heaven.

    Now if you don't believe in heaven I can definitely understand why you wouldn't believe this!

    I have never been a 'true Christian' according to most, because my family was Irish-Catholic until they kicked my Aunt out for getting pregnant and not marrying the guy. So I went to Sunday school as a kid (in a non-denom Christian Church) and I stopped after that. I went through my phases where I thought I was atheist, but I always remember the day I asked Jesus into my heart and regardless of how someone else feels about that, I really look at that day as the first day I wasn't alone, and I was completely serious when I did that..

    It's good to ask questions. It's GREAT to ask questions. But there comes a point where you start thinking, really is there any way to prove anything? Because scientists say so? Because a book says so? Follow how YOU truely feel.
         
        10-01-2010, 12:57 AM
      #298
    Trained
    I can agree with the notion that your eyes are opened in the after life. That makes sense to me. The problem people were talking about though is praying for help when they are suicidal and not getting any. Sure you can say that you only have to get through your human lifespan which is nothing in an eternal sense but it's a heck of a lot in the human sense.
         
        10-01-2010, 12:57 AM
      #299
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AmberPick    
    I would never say something to someone who had a family member committ suicide or ridicule someone who tried to committ suicide. Mistakes happen. But in my head, anyone who committs suicide for the sake of mental unhappiness clearly belongs in a mental hospital and the only justification is that they are chemically imbalanced or something.

    Not that I don't have sympathy, but I have no tolerance for it, either.
    I attempted it. A couple of times. I also tried to get myself hospitalised to get help and they wouldn't admit me.

    There was an awful lot of judgement in your post.
         
        10-01-2010, 01:00 AM
      #300
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    I have attempted to commit suicide as well as had a family member and a friend commit suicide. You just called me and those people weak. To me that is ridiculing it.
    That's fine you don't think it is a good solution. Neither do I. But try and be a bit less judgmental in your thoughts. Or at least more tactful about them.
    To start off - the reason I said it is weak is because someone at the beginning said it is not weak, it is brave. I believe the total opposite. As I said, I have sympathy for anyone who has dealt with suicide, attempted suicide, or even thought of suicide, because really who hasn't? But that doesn't mean that I can't say a person is being weak when they decide there is something so bad that they need to end their life over it.

    I didn't mean to offend you, but don't think that I wouldn't say the same thing to my best friend. I have a few experiences with suicide and attempted suicide, but I most remember being about 17 and reading one of my mom's diaries about how she had a specific tree picked out on the side of the road and someday she was going to crash into it. Her biggest problem was her own self esteem. When you have three kids and a husband who love you, to me that's weak. I'm not some person who doesn't understand it and is just talking down on people with bad lives. I have a cousin who was my best friend who I found out was raped for four years of her life by her babysitter and also her oldest brother. She came to me and finally told me when we were 18. Then she talked about suicide. You know what I told her? That if she committed suicide she would be letting them get the best of her and yes, I said it would be weak. What makes you strong is overcoming adversity.

    Me saying weak doesn't mean I'm saying 'bad person' or something along those lines. I'm saying they gave up, decided they couldn't fight the battle anymore. To me that doesn't make them strong.
         

    Thread Tools

    Similar Threads
    Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
    Another maybe...thoughts? QHDragon Horse Riding Critique 15 06-27-2010 12:16 AM
    YOUR thoughts? Fogged-In Horse Talk 4 07-10-2009 04:58 PM
    Sisters, Dramas & suicide!!! KiwiRyder General Off Topic Discussion 3 09-23-2008 05:45 PM



    All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:57 AM.


    Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
    Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
    Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0