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post #311 of 317 Old 10-01-2010, 07:56 AM
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No there was no jumping!! I just wrote it a lot differently than how I was thinking it!

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post #312 of 317 Old 10-01-2010, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Solon View Post
If there really were more of those people then I don't think there would be so many problems. But most 'non-believers' seem to get the interaction with the ones that are not like you and Speed, and yeah, it does shed a very bad light on the group as a whole.
Exactly. You are judged by the company you keep. If you choose to be a part of a congregation that belittles, berates, and tries to guilt someone into becoming a Christian, then are you not just as guilty? I've left many churches because of that.

I've studied Christianity as well as other nonChristian religions. I worked with a Muslim man who had all the 'Christian values', except that he wasn't Christian. He was devout in his faith, loved and provided for his family, was devoted to his wife, didn't believe in violence for any reason, was respectful of other religions, and was one of the most gentle men I have ever met. We used to spend our lunch hours talking over the differences and similarities between our two holy books.

In the Koran, Christ is seen as a prophet, just like Mohammad. He isn't heralded as the Son of God, but He is awarded the same status as any devout prophet who has made a difference in the world.

The Old and New Testaments of the Bible really do have inconsistencies. But if you're a Christian, did not Christ say that all that came before is swept away? Which means as Christians, we can look to the Old Testament for information, but we're supposed to live as Christ preached in the New Testament.
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I would like to apologize for blowing up at you yesterday. I thought it over, and you are right, a lot of christians to belittle other religions. I guess I became upset because I came from a church like that, and I always tried not too belittle other people- but I didnt mean to be rude. I hope you can forgive me :)


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post #314 of 317 Old 10-02-2010, 07:11 PM
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Wanna - I have no problem with that at all. No forgiveness needed. I came from the same type of Church. And I'm still a little sickened about how I treated non-believers and how so many of my Christian friends encouraged it and thought it was the right thing to do. Convert people or disregard them.

I see that way more even now than I see people like Speed and Tennessee.

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post #315 of 317 Old 10-02-2010, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AmberPick View Post
-- and the talking about God not 'saving people' who are going to committ suicide..

I view it this way (and you don't have to agree) while we are on Earth we view things with tunnel vision. When you get to heaven, it's like you just put on glasses and have 20/20 for the first time. You realize that earthly goods don't matter, and you realize that the 100 years you spend on Earth (happy or unhappy) is nothing in comparison to the eternity you spend in Heaven.
Have you been to Heaven? If not, are you basing this off of what you think Heaven is, or what someone told it is.

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There is no judgement in my post - you're all assuming that I know nothing of it. To me the people who were weak were those who weren't helping you. And just because someone is weak at one point does not mean they can't become strong again. The people I have the utmost respect for are people who have been through hell and back and have the scars to prove it.

So if you think I'm sitting here judging people who committ suicide or even consider suicide you are wrong. I am saying they are weak because I was weak. I can't even imagine feeling that way because I'm so blessed with the little things around me.
You can't compare us to you. You can't say we are weak because you were. It's different for each person that finds themselves wanting to end their life. For most people I've talked with, it's hopelessness not weakness. You're also assuming there were people around not helping and those doing so were weak. Maybe in your case.

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post #316 of 317 Old 10-06-2010, 08:31 PM Thread Starter
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O MY GOSH..... 300+ posts?!?! i got out of town for five days and this happens?!?! lol..

anyone want to catch me up or am I gonna have to read 200+ posts.. lol.. this shall be a longgggg night haha

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Originally Posted by Speed Racer View Post
I believe that those who are terminally ill and in unremitting pain should be allowed to die on their own terms, and at a time of their own choosing.

Do I think those people are going to Hell? No, I do not. We'll ease a suffering animal with no chance of survival out of this life, so why would it be a sin to do the same for a human being?

What I don't agree with is someone who is depressed taking their own life, when they have no other limitations due to pain or ailments.

I know all about depression. It runs rampant in my family. I have an aunt who's tried to take her own life several times. After intensive therapy and medication, she now understands that killing herself isn't an option.

I myself have been through hell and back with depression, and I just can't see using it as an excuse to kill yourself. I understand the attraction, but I can't condone it. Is it a sin? I honestly don't know, because when someone is in the deepest depths of a black depression they're not thinking rationally, which in and of itself is an illness.

If I won't condemn someone for killing themselves when they're not in their right mind, what more compassion do you think God has for them? After all, He loves them more than I ever could.

I'm reading all 200 posts I have missed out on because of not having internet for a few days.. But those words are the best way I have ever heard that kind of situation of suicide explained. so it is one post that really caught my mind and got me thinking more than my wheels were already turning lol..

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