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post #31 of 317 Old 09-25-2010, 12:04 AM
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There are so many things that people are "taught" will send them directly to hell; suicide, homosexuality, murder, greed (and whatever else is listed in the 7 deadly sins). I don't believe there is any set action that will automatically curse your soul to burn forever, I think it is more to do with intent and the reasoning behind it. Whether you make one bad choice and truly regret it or whether you continually make the same bad choice over and over with malicious intent determines what happens to you in the end. I also don't believe that any sin can be forgiven (contradictory huh?). I have seen some of the horrible things that humans can do to each other but the one that is completely unfathomable to me is stealing the innocence of a child. Some of the things I have seen would make your blood curdle and the most ironic thing is that those guys are generally the most religious and the most polite to adults. My only thought is that if people like that are going to be in heaven, then I don't want to go.

Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling LOL. I can't understand the reasoning behind suicide because I have never been in that situation, but I really don't believe that a loving God would punish someone for acting in the only way they felt they were able when they were pushed past their limits.

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I remember a preacher saying once that even the worst criminal on his deathbed could ask for forgiveness and all would be well.

I said, "well why would anyone spend their life being good all the time if they could just say 'I'm sorry' on their deathbed".

He just got mad and wouldn't give me answer.

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There are so many things that people are "taught" will send them directly to hell; suicide, homosexuality, murder, greed (and whatever else is listed in the 7 deadly sins). I don't believe there is any set action that will automatically curse your soul to burn forever, I think it is more to do with intent and the reasoning behind it. Whether you make one bad choice and truly regret it or whether you continually make the same bad choice over and over with malicious intent determines what happens to you in the end. I also don't believe that any sin can be forgiven (contradictory huh?). I have seen some of the horrible things that humans can do to each other but the one that is completely unfathomable to me is stealing the innocence of a child. Some of the things I have seen would make your blood curdle and the most ironic thing is that those guys are generally the most religious and the most polite to adults. My only thought is that if people like that are going to be in heaven, then I don't want to go.

Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling LOL. I can't understand the reasoning behind suicide because I have never been in that situation, but I really don't believe that a loving God would punish someone for acting in the only way they felt they were able when they were pushed past their limits.
haha thats ok! people are allowed to ramble here! lol.. i catch myself doing it then stop and shorten my paragraphs lol.. But i understand what you are saying.. There is some sins that I think should just not be forgivable, I wonder how could God forgive somebody for taking someone's life..

and good point.. If you feel that is your only way out why would God make you burn in hell for taking the only option you had..


What really set me back with religion and decide to not follow a denomination is when my Bible teacher basically comdemned people that committed suicide saying it is selfish... a Bible teacher now.. and how they can not go to heaven.. that was like three days after something happened to my family and that was the one words that made me decide i will no longer listen to this so called bible teacher.. since it was only HIS opinions and noone else's.. it wasnt right at all..

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I remember a preacher saying once that even the worst criminal on his deathbed could ask for forgiveness and all would be well.

I said, "well why would anyone spend their life being good all the time if they could just say 'I'm sorry' on their deathbed".

He just got mad and wouldn't give me answer.
That's a good way to look at it..

It seems whenever you ask a person of religious background(preacher,bible teacher) a question that questions them strongly they just shut you off.. to me it seems like they can not give a straight fact.. or even an opinion that would not contradict their religious views.

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The first time I questioned christianity was when I was in the 5th grade and my sunday school teacher told me animals didn't go to heaven. I went home screaming to my mom that my beloved horse Duke wouldn't be in heaven when he died. My Mom stormed the church and then we no longer went there.

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I'm quite happy I am actually getting some responses on this thread!

I figured most people wouldnt give their opinions fearing what people would say or think.. Thank goodness there is people in this world that still stand up for what they believe and share it!

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The first time I questioned christianity was when I was in the 5th grade and my sunday school teacher told me animals didn't go to heaven. I went home screaming to my mom that my beloved horse Duke wouldn't be in heaven when he died. My Mom stormed the church and then we no longer went there.

Well that was a dumb preacher in my opinion...lol..

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I know - every time I see your name it brings back very very very happy memories for me.

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I'm quite happy I am actually getting some responses on this thread!

I figured most people wouldnt give their opinions fearing what people would say or think.. Thank goodness there is people in this world that still stand up for what they believe and share it!
I'm pretty sure most people on this forum aren't too worried to say what they think!! It's a good topic.

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I know - every time I see your name it brings back very very very happy memories for me.

aww =] its those memories you share with a special animal that will never be forgotten.. its amazing i can remember the first time i saw duke to the present... every little memory and detail i know and yet i cant even remember my parent's birthday O.O lol.. im a bad daughter hahaha

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