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post #81 of 317 Old 09-28-2010, 06:31 PM
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I used to be so black and white on certain topics...but the longer I live the more I realize that there are so many shades of grey.

I am not Christian so the belief in heaven and hell isnt something I subscribe to...it doesnt make sense to me. I dont understand how I, as a good, kind person will be doomed to hell because I dont believe in your religion and yet an axe murderer can suddenly find God, get forgiveness and go to heaven.

I think suicide is a horrible thing all around..for the person who contemplates it and/or carries it out and for the ones left behind. Despite some hard times, I feel that the ability to enjoy life is such a wonderful thing...and to be at a point that one wants to end that..so sad. And I have a job where I have to deal with family and friends who have to live with the aftermath of suicide...which is at times so heartwrenching.

Cowardly way...perhaps...but there are so many factors that I cant really judge.
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I think suicide is a horrible thing:( Why should someone kill themself when God created them in their own special way? I do not see how someone could do it- imagine leaving all your loved ones behind, and how much emotional and mental stress you will put on them. Plus, there are so many opportunities these days to get help. And I dont see how someone couldn't enjoy life (unless in a very bad situation~ but then again, there are many opportunities for help), thats just my opinion on it though :)

The following is from bible.com-

"Do not be a fool--why die before your time?" (Ecclesiastes 7:17b)

Very few would argue with the fact that suicide is a direct breaking of the Sixth Commandment which is, "You shall not murder." We are not to murder each other or ourselves. God created human beings in His image and each of us carries within us the potential to overcome the evil in this world, and to rule and reign with Christ in heavenly places. If we are Christians, we no longer belong to ourselves, but to God. We are overseers of our bodies and our lives (which belong to Him), and we are responsible to guard that which has been entrusted to us.
Suicide is a grievous sin that seriously hurts both the heart of God, and those who loved the deceased. The pain of losing a loved one who took their own life is not easily healed, and often isn't fully healed until Heaven. Whether you are contemplating suicide or know someone who killed themselves, God wants you to know there is hope and life for you. He is the great Healer and Restorer of what has been lost or stolen.

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I think suicide is a horrible thing:( Why should someone kill themself when God created them in their own special way? I do not see how someone could do it- imagine leaving all your loved ones behind, and how much emotional and mental stress you will put on them. Plus, there are so many opportunities these days to get help. And I dont see how someone couldn't enjoy life (unless in a very bad situation~ but then again, there are many opportunities for help), thats just my opinion on it though :)
Your right, you HAVENT been there. Its such a dark place you dont worry about your loved ones, because most times, you dont think anyone loves you/even wants you around. Its not about the stress on them, its the horrible stress and mental ache/pain in you thats so very consuming you cant think of anything but it or really do anything at all but lie depressed in your own woe.
Its impossible to enjoy life when you are so down you are going to end your own life. Help seems worthless or scary or weak, unlike the quick fix of just leaving this world that seems to be the only way out of this horrible situation. You feel baited to end your life by the constant hits your mental stability keeps taking from bad things (or what you percieve to be so bad) happening to you.
They say suicide is a permanant fix to a temporary situation but when you are in the clutchs of deep depression bordering on suicide the problems seem ANYTHING but temporary, you cant imagine being happy or even content ever again or that you ever were. This world doesnt seem worth it, it seems like a place of torture you cant wait to get out of enough you would take it in your own hands to do so.
I know, trust me. I've been there. Not actually killed myself (obviously) but I've been close and have had expierences with family members. I understand WHY people do. Its horribly sad, but sometimes seems neccesary to people, and I understand that.
I dont think people who commit sucide are neccesary wrong so much as just done with it all, its ultimatly their life, theirs to end if they JUST CAN'T go on any longer without losing their minds or not being able to get out of bed the next morning from the hurt of it all, theirs to end if they JUST CAN'T take it. I dont think they should go to Hell for that, no way, no how.
"Depression is not a sign of weakness but a sign you've been strong for to long"
I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying its SO different and easier to understand when you've been there.
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"Depression is not a sign of weakness but a sign you've been strong for to long"


Interesting quote
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"Depression is not a sign of weakness but a sign you've been strong for to long"


Interesting quote
In what way? Do you agree with it?

Im interested what people think, its just something I read somewhere.
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Your right, you HAVENT been there. Its such a dark place you dont worry about your loved ones, because most times, you dont think anyone loves you/even wants you around. Its not about the stress on them, its the horrible stress and mental ache/pain in you thats so very consuming you cant think of anything but it or really do anything at all but lie depressed in your own woe.
Its impossible to enjoy life when you are so down you are going to end your own life. Help seems worthless or scary or weak, unlike the quick fix of just leaving this world that seems to be the only way out of this horrible situation. You feel baited to end your life by the constant hits your mental stability keeps taking from bad things (or what you percieve to be so bad) happening to you.
They say suicide is a permanant fix to a temporary situation but when you are in the clutchs of deep depression bordering on suicide the problems seem ANYTHING but temporary, you cant imagine being happy or even content ever again or that you ever were. This world doesnt seem worth it, it seems like a place of torture you cant wait to get out of enough you would take it in your own hands to do so.
I know, trust me. I've been there. Not actually killed myself (obviously) but I've been close and have had expierences with family members. I understand WHY people do. Its horribly sad, but sometimes seems neccesary to people, and I understand that.
I dont think people who commit sucide are neccesary wrong so much as just done with it all, its ultimatly their life, theirs to end if they JUST CAN'T go on any longer without losing their minds or not being able to get out of bed the next morning from the hurt of it all, theirs to end if they JUST CAN'T take it. I dont think they should go to Hell for that, no way, no how.
"Depression is not a sign of weakness but a sign you've been strong for to long"
I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying its SO different and easier to understand when you've been there.
I understand. I have been in depression before (not to that point, but ya know what i mean). I too think that is an interesting quote. It is just very connecting to some things in my life. It explains how when a person holds feelings in too long, and tries to keep it together; sometimes they just break. That is why I think it is so important to just let it out sometimes. Whether you are alone, or talking about it to someone- it really helps healing.

Ecclesiastes 7:3- Crying is better than laughing. It blotches the face but it scours the heart.

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I understand. I have been in depression before (not to that point, but ya know what i mean). I too think that is an interesting quote. It is just very connecting to some things in my life. It explains how when a person holds feelings in too long, and tries to keep it together; sometimes they just break. That is why I think it is so important to just let it out sometimes. Whether you are alone, or talking about it to someone- it really helps healing.

Ecclesiastes 7:3- Crying is better than laughing. It blotches the face but it scours the heart.
I agree with you. Crying and talking to someone, anyone can help, or it can make it worse when people still dont seem to care. But overall it can help, if you can take that step and admit it. And me personally, when I go to that dark place, I tend to shut up, not talk and lock myself in my room and not WANT to talk and if certain people approach me I dont mean to but I lash out and get mad or even more upset, I dont know why. I wish more people would let it out not bottle it up and get help, it could really help the sucidal thoughts.
But is there a point where you are just to far gone and nothing can help? I think sometimes that is the case where people take their own life but then on the other hand, hospitals have brought people from very dark places, I've seen it.
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I agree with you. Crying and talking to someone, anyone can help, or it can make it worse when people still dont seem to care. But overall it can help, if you can take that step and admit it. And me personally, when I go to that dark place, I tend to shut up, not talk and lock myself in my room and not WANT to talk and if certain people approach me I dont mean to but I lash out and get mad or even more upset, I dont know why. I wish more people would let it out not bottle it up and get help, it could really help the sucidal thoughts.
But is there a point where you are just to far gone and nothing can help? I think sometimes that is the case where people take their own life but then on the other hand, hospitals have brought people from very dark places, I've seen it.
This is probably a question that will get some opinionated answers. For me, there is always a way. I am a believer in God. So I do ahve faith that he can pull anyone out of any situation. It might take a miracle- but there is always a way. Just my belief.

I feel like I am thinking very out-of-the-box. I am only 14...this is some hardcore thinking.

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I understand. I have been in depression before (not to that point, but ya know what i mean).

Ecclesiastes 7:3- Crying is better than laughing. It blotches the face but it scours the heart.
Then you don't know. If you have not been to that edge staring into the abyss. You do not know.

Crying can only go so far for a person who's broken. For those people they've exhausted everything they have to keep them here. For them, relief is far greater than the concerns of loved ones they leave behind.

If God was the answer, why did that person get to that point in the first place? And don't reply with free will and choices. I was Christian long enough to not be swayed by that baloney.

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If God was the answer, why did that person get to that point in the first place? And don't reply with free will and choices. I was Christian long enough to not be swayed by that baloney.
But what if that is the answer? I don't think it is "baloney" either.

God does give us a free will to live. WE created sin, not God. Adam and Eve screwed it up for the rest of us by taking the apple, and we do have hardships and troubles because of that. But like I said before, Gods puts us through these things because he knows we can make it through them. It's the selfish cowards that just don't try hard enough.

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