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        07-22-2011, 11:53 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
    I did have empathy. I wondered around crying for hours, filled with all the guilt in the world. NO I did not like her, but as I said in my original post I did not wish death upon her. It was an ACCIDENT. While not fixing the fence was our fault, it was also the drivers fault for not checking. He must have known the goats were out, he loved the babies. I'm sure he knew he had hit her, but no. He left her there. 5-10 minutes later, she was found. She was actually going to a new home. I was planning on selling her after the babies were weaned at 12 weeks of age.

    Our farm is managed by three people - my mother, my step father, and myself. I take care of most/all goat and horse management.

    On the part of my most loved Riot: yes, we did not give him vet care. Why? My mother and stepfather are nurses. Most things that we run into can be treated as you would a human. Most of his problems were caused by another buck we have, named Billy. I have tried over and over again to rehome Billy, but no one will take an aggressive buck. Once I discovered Riot had hematomas, Billy was removed. It was the middle of winter, we didn't have the time/resources to build a new shelter and pen. So Billy went on a tie out. Riot died three days. After the other buck was removed. I thought Billy was the COD, my mom thought it was a heart condition. Most of his defects/injuries were probably caused by Billy. It was rut (breeding season) and males tend to fight because of their raging hormones.
    My bucks broke fences to get with my doe. It took some time before we found the right fence, by that time Riot had bred Dee. His swayed back started to develop after the deed was done. As for the things on his testicles, I will never know. I wanted a necropsy to be done, but he was in the ground by the time my mom told me he died.

    Feel free to ask me any questions regarding my mental stability, or my animal management. I'll own up to what has happened. I'm not going to be a child about it any longer.
         
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        07-23-2011, 06:57 AM
      #32
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ilovemyPhillip    
    I did have empathy. I wondered around crying for hours, filled with all the guilt in the world. NO I did not like her, but as I said in my original post I did not wish death upon her. It was an ACCIDENT. While not fixing the fence was our fault, it was also the drivers fault for not checking. He must have known the goats were out, he loved the babies. I'm sure he knew he had hit her, but no.

    Why must the driver know that your pets are out?? I know we don't let anyhting out when there is heavy machinary going around as its just to dangerous.
    YOu need to accpet full responsibility for this its not the drivers fault its your fault.How would he have known he hit her may I ask?
         
        07-23-2011, 01:22 PM
      #33
    Showing
    A lot of things are running through my head right now, so I'll try to organize them a bit.

    First of all, what does it say about your breeding practices that you're selling goats with these tempermental and conformational issues? What does it say about you when you're breeding a goat who you claim to have ended up with "all the bad recessive genes?"

    When you claim to manage this goat breeding and horse care, you need to take responsibility when there's blame to be owned up to. Saying you only live with your mom half the time and assuming that's a good excuse as to why your goats aren't receiving medical care half the time does NOT make it a good enough reason. My parents are divorced, and I would in no way, shape, or form even OWN my horses if my mom wasn't capable of handling basic problems and calling a vet when anything goes wrong. Are your goats tested for diseases before you breed them?

    Owning a stallion/buck/unneutered animal requires strong fencing, great vet care, and a vast knowledge of breeding with the animal's best interest at heart. Tying a goat up for 2 days because it can't be in with another buck is irresponsible. Broken, unmended fences are unacceptable. Goats outside their pen, especially with construction trucks in the driveway, is unacceptable.

    OP, please rethink some of your practices. Buying more goats really is not the answer.
         
        07-23-2011, 01:37 PM
      #34
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by equiniphile    
    A lot of things are running through my head right now, so I'll try to organize them a bit.

    First of all, what does it say about your breeding practices that you're selling goats with these tempermental and conformational issues? What does it say about you when you're breeding a goat who you claim to have ended up with "all the bad recessive genes?"
    The temperamental issued buck is not a Boer. He is a 11yo rescue. (real rescue, we got him for free, from a guy who knew nothing about caprines) As I said before, the goat with conformational issues (swayed back) were not prominent when the doe was accidentally bred. He has very good lineage. Even though the breeding was not planned, we were ready and somewhat knowledgeable about kidding.
    When you claim to manage this goat breeding and horse care, you need to take responsibility when there's blame to be owned up to. Saying you only live with your mom half the time and assuming that's a good excuse as to why your goats aren't receiving medical care half the time does NOT make it a good enough reason. My parents are divorced, and I would in no way, shape, or form even OWN my horses if my mom wasn't capable of handling basic problems and calling a vet when anything goes wrong. Are your goats tested for diseases before you breed them?
    No. I have not heard of any tests regarding goats prior to breeding. If there is, I would love to have my two young goats tested.
    Owning a stallion/buck/unneutered animal requires strong fencing, great vet care, and a vast knowledge of breeding with the animal's best interest at heart. Tying a goat up for 2 days because it can't be in with another buck is irresponsible. Broken, unmended fences are unacceptable. Goats outside their pen, especially with construction trucks in the driveway, is unacceptable.
    Yep Yep. Yep. What am I supposed to say about it? Weren't you the one who bred a mini to a stallion whose breed was unknown? It takes time to get where you are, as it did for me. Horses were our first priority when Dee died. There had been a storm that had broken fences. We were fixing other fences, going to the goats next.
    OP, please rethink some of your practices. Buying more goats really is not the answer.
    We do what we have to do to survive. I have my priorities straight.
    I hope this answers most of your questions.
         
        07-23-2011, 01:40 PM
      #35
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ilovemyPhillip    
    I hope this answers most of your questions.
    Leaving my mother's miniatures out of it....he was a Shetland stallion with excellent breeding and conformation, and as I was around the age of 11 at the time, I did not have much of a say in it.
         
        07-23-2011, 01:53 PM
      #36
    Green Broke
    And I'm 15. I don't have a say in a lot of things either. Don't try to act high and mighty. I'm sure I can dig up the "what is he" thread. I thought he was a Welsh.
         
        07-23-2011, 02:06 PM
      #37
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ilovemyPhillip    
    And I'm 15. I don't have a say in a lot of things either. Don't try to act high and mighty. I'm sure I can dig up the "what is he" thread. I thought he was a Welsh.
    I am not certain but I believe Equiniphile is younger than you, Phillip. Yet she conducts herself far more maturely. There is a reason she is well liked and well respected younger member on these forums. You have mentioned wanting to change people's opinions of you, posts like the one above do not do that for you at all. It might be wise to take a page from Equiniphile's book and learn how to act maturely, if you want to be seen and treated as a mature, valuable, and contributing forum member.

    And, going from memory, Steel Soldier was one of the nicer Shetland stally's I have ever seen.
         

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