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post #11 of 22 Old 01-08-2012, 06:25 PM
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Next time you find one ( I hope you do :)) try to ask him to do them once, then ask him/her if they are willing to stick with you. Make them be completely honest with you, because that will mean more. Just try your best to make an impression (it seems like you are) and really try to make a connection with you, the farrier and the horse. But be straight up and ask if they are willing to continue doing business with you :)
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post #12 of 22 Old 01-08-2012, 06:59 PM
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$150.00 will get you a membership to the AFA. Students in farrier school are free. I could be a member if I so desired.
If a farrier wants to be certified, then there is a rigorous written and practical test.
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Certified Journeyman Farrier
Okay now I understand what you were saying. It's kind of a big deal to become AFA certified and while it may not gaurantee that the farrier is a good businessman or even a good horseman it DOES mean that they have at some point in thier lives demonstrated some knowledge and know-how.

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post #13 of 22 Old 01-08-2012, 07:19 PM
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How about ringing those farriers you have had & asking them to tell you honestly why they don't want to come back? Make it known that you won't take offense at whatever they tell you & that you're really trying to do what's needed. Some straight communication can often get you the answers you need. If it is a distance thing, then trailering your horses may indeed be necessary, so I'd consider taking your gelding out & about regularly - even just to a neighbours - to get him more calm & used to different environments.
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post #14 of 22 Old 01-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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I mean that anyone can join the association, Vets, horsepeople, blacksmiths, farriers. Because they join doesn't neccesarily mean they are a good farrier, just a member.
But to be certified as a CF, CTF, or CJF by the AFA is a huge deal. My former farrier was a judge for the test takers, he said the test is very hard. I think he said the failure rate taking the certification test is about 50%.

Like I joined the International Society of Arborculture just as a member before I got my certification. It wasn't until a year later that I got my Certified Arborist certification. I wanted to make sure I passed the test on the first try.
The failure rate of the arborist certification is about 45%.
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post #15 of 22 Old 01-10-2012, 12:24 AM
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I mean that anyone can join the association, Vets, horsepeople, blacksmiths, farriers. Because they join doesn't neccesarily mean they are a good farrier, just a member.
But to be certified as a CF, CTF, or CJF by the AFA is a huge deal. My former farrier was a judge for the test takers, he said the test is very hard. I think he said the failure rate taking the certification test is about 50%.
Just to clarify, the failure rate for first time candidates standing for the AFA CF exam is not 50%. The actual fail rate is about 80%! Yeah, it's that tough.

When I stood for the exam at Heartland Horseshoeing School the pass rate for those having completed the National Certification Course was 40%. (I was one of the 40%). That was considered a huge success for the school and Chris Gregory.

Those who showed up for the exams but did not go through the certification course prior to the test fell back into the 80% fail rate.

I'd recommend all horse owners attend an AFA exam site in a spectator capacity. It will give you a real appreciation for just how high the AFA sets the bar for quality and competency. It will also give you a fair idea of what basic, proper horseshoeing should look like.

You really can't appreciate just how difficult the exams can be until you see a test candidate drop to their knees and throw their guts up in exhaustion.

The UK exams are even tougher. Very few Americans have made it to that level.

The bar was just recently raised by the introduction of the FITS exam in the US. This is the Farrier's International Testing System put together by Chris Gregory of HHS. 2012 will be the first time this test is available in the US. Chris developed the exam for farriers in Brazil and South Africa.

The newly created American Association of Professional Farriers went public on January 1st of this year. It is the first time in the US that anyone is going to provide academic accreditation of continuing education for farriers.

This means that horse owners will finally be able to go to a website and see how prospective farriers invest themselves in annual CE. Horse owners can register with the AAPF and participate in the horse owner forum section at no charge. Horse owners can also submit private, written questions that will be reviewed by AAPF member farriers and veterinarians.

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post #16 of 22 Old 01-10-2012, 08:45 AM
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I know I have been extreamly lucky that both farriers I have had for the past 20 years have been Certified Journeymen Farriers. When the first farrier said he was getting to busy to drive out to me any more, he helped me find the second journeyman, and didn't quit me untill I was happy with the new farrier.
I have bad memories of what it was like before I got true professionals working on my horses.

To the op it sounds like you are doing all the right things to make your farrier stick. I would suggerst, if you are not already, trying to find a farrier that does it for a living not a weekend warrior.

Good luck, I feel your frustration. I've been there.
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post #17 of 22 Old 01-11-2012, 11:17 PM
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All I could think when I read the title of this thread was

"THROW HIM HARDER"!
loosie and Red Gate Farm like this.

For all your farrier needs, GET BNT!
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post #18 of 22 Old 01-11-2012, 11:57 PM
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I would go to the other stables to meet the shore and talk to them the barn may wont you to bring your horse over so they get a piece- I have the same problem I own a draft horse in an thoroughbred= warm blood area

ride a draft and see the world differently
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post #19 of 22 Old 01-12-2012, 12:28 AM
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What area are you in. This forum has members from all corners of the world...surely someone knows someone!
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post #20 of 22 Old 01-12-2012, 12:33 AM
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Maybe you're far away and they don't see it as worth driving out to you. You have to be like, the BEST horse owner ever. Offer them water, or if it's cold.. hot cocoa/tea/coffee. Train your horses.. feed him a bucket of hay to keep him from wobbling about. Make him hold his feet up and make it a VERY POOR CHOICE to put them down. Give him a little extra for making the trip and coming out here, especially on really bad weather days.

Make sure your horses are clean and their hooves are picked and they behave while they wait. Make sure the aisles are clean and whatnot. If you have to water them down a little so they aren't dusty, do so.

It's about going above and beyond.. make that person want to have you as a client. Don't suck up to them, just treat them with respect and be aware of how tired they can be and whatnot.

Good luck!! Don't give up!
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