Bar Splat to the toe ???

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    11-29-2012, 08:42 AM
Bar Splat to the toe ???

This isnt the first time I have seen this on my freinds horse Im hoping someone can tell me the reason why. Asking her "old time" farrier wont get me anything but told off. So the farrier leaves the bars, they are extremely thick and run the entire length up the frog. They are not exactly layed over, they are big and thick and then, at the tip of the frog they splat out in a circle bigger than a silver dollar all the way to the tip of the toe. The horse is landing on this bar material before he lands on his walls and at the toe, he is difinately not hitting any wall to the ground as the build up is so much. In my mind the first thing I would do is start working towards getting that cut away. I believe the farrier is doing this as sole protection. I have just never heard of protecting a sole by letting the bar material cover it. I would think there would be so much more chance for abscesses let alone how comfortable it truly is for him to walk on that. This horse is not a horse I trim, its just a friends horse so I wont be working on it, or I don't think I will be. I am just very stumped on "why". Anyone have any opinions on this?
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    11-30-2012, 01:22 AM
I just recently got a new filly. She had similar feet to what you are describing. I posted pics before and after trim on this thread, title: "severely overgrown bars". I can think of no reason to purposely allow bars to get that overgrown. I do my own, however, the new filly had zero training and extremely hard feet. So, I got a farrier asap. I was very concerned that her sole might be thin beneath that crud, the farrier assured me they were not. She did not show any signs of "ouchiness" before (oddly) or after the trim.
    11-30-2012, 08:23 AM
Missy, Thank You!! Yes, that's pretty much what this horse looks like although his bars are not layed over along the frog, just big and thick. And great to see that a beautiful foot can be under all that!! Well, I will chat with my friend and maybe she will discuss with her farrier. I have never ever seen such a thing. And in my friends horses case, this is done on purpose. She is very faithful, farrier every 6 to 8 weeks. The farrier also put pads on this horse all summer and left all that under the pad, simply makes no sense. Overgrown and not taken care of is one thing, but on purpose??? Very strange. This farrier has been in business for well over 20 years, I just wish I could ask him why but I know better. Im not interested in getting an earful and possibly my friend losing him as a farrier.
    11-30-2012, 10:29 AM
IMO, and mind you I am far from an expert, if this condition has been allowed to go on for so long there would be a real worry of having a thin sole under the "splat" as you put it. My horses are in soft sand, so it helps a bit w "recovery", but I would want an expert to determine what to do, if anything, after they were pared off. I had never seen anything like it before, either.
    11-30-2012, 10:39 AM
Oh I agree, he could be quite tender under there but I would think the force of stepping on that bar material would be uncomfortable too. Im no expert either, have had clients over the years but far from knowing all there is to know. But of the all the horses I have seen, this was a first for me. Sure I have seen horses that have been neglected and overgrown etc but just shocked to know a farrier would purposely leave this. I would say my friend has had the horse for 10 years and has had the same farrier for 10 years. I only know for sure that it has gone on for a year. She has just recently purchased a new horse who has normal feet with normal bars. Maybe this summer after the farrier works on him I can take a look and see if he is doing the same thing to him. I know when I trim, I always make sure the bars are not full weight bearing and I always clean them up so as to not allow them to layover. Seems that's the best place for an abscess is under a layed over bar. This horses bars along the frog and toe are taking almost full weight bearing, the walls are secondary weight bearing, at the toe, the wall is not hitting the ground at all. In my mind I would think that if a horse needs sole protection, a pad and shoe is the way to go, not using overgrown bars. Im hoping one of the experts will chime in with thier opinion as there could be a logical reason for this.
    11-30-2012, 11:02 AM
I am sure an expert will chime in soon. I could find very little about this on the internet, which would indicate it (the "splat") is not common. My thinking was that it is not possible for the sole to grow under that stuff. I do not let just anyone trim my horses, so I asked my farrier and a very knowledgable rancher friend who they would recommend and chose a farrier they both recommended -and he didn't bevel the sole, especially the toe that clearly is flared out a bit. My point - I am glad I started doing my own b/c even people that are extremely knowledgeable "above the hoof" might think so and so's work is great...when I don't.

I hope the horse gets the attention he needs.
    11-30-2012, 11:12 AM
I agree, finding someone with knowledge is tough. In our area, we have farriers popping up like crazy recently. People ask me who I would recommend and there are only a couple who have a clue but also will charge a high price for thier knowledge and they are also very hard to get. So I don't want to do anything that will jeaprodize my friends relationship with her farrier.
    11-30-2012, 05:36 PM
There is NO good reason to leave them except complete incompetence. They contribute to a host of other problems and can bruise the sole and cause damage. They should be trimmed back to a normal heigh just as you trim the wall. They grow at the same rate. Letting the bars overgrow is just as bad as allowing the outerwall to overgrow...probably worse since horses have a harder time getting rid of bars.

*shakes head* aggravates me to hear stuff like this.
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