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post #11 of 18 Old 12-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wallaby View Post
Thanks Trinity! I appreciate it!
I'm not sure how to do hoof mapping without a hoof knife but I looked up ELPO hoof mapping and I think I understand the concept (trying not to get stuck on semantics! haha).
The one part that's really confusing me is that in all the ELPO diagrams I've seen, there are "before trim" lines way above the WL (makes sense) and "after trim" lines that appear to be inside the WL (doesn't make sense)... I was under the impression that the WL was something you should not cross, ever, but then these diagrams seem to be saying "cross it!". haha
Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what I'm seeing?
You don't have a hoof knife? You absolutely need one. Go buy one. And a sharpener. You will need to sharpen it after every use.

Mapping is for me, anyway, more a visual thing than actually doing it. Take a good picture and start drawing on it. That's really neat.

The WL - yes I go right back into it on my girl's front. She has a tendency to grow very forward and rasping back into the WL is the only way I can keep her going. I don't go beyond the WL though; just into it. To me, it's like a dog's claws, if they are too long, cut as far as you dare before hitting the quick and the quick will retreat.
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Yes you will probably go into the white line and what appears to be sole. I wasnt very clear above. With feet that are extremely flared forward, the distortion is so great that the "sole" is lying and not telling tyou where the bone actually is. X rays will tell you but mapping is also extremely accurate and cheaper. You trim to the bone, not the distorted capsule even if it means beveling past the white line.

The thing about not going into sole I think is more for keeping horses safe from novice trimmers and not so good at fixing things like distortion of the toe. It doesnt directly address it at all nor does it trim to the bone (which is the same in my book as shoeing toe flare. Wrong) and can actually make it get worse and will not resolve it. Mapping does. You need a good knife. I would recommend a 30 dollar loop knife for a starter. Its right or left handed and easy to use. You can google and order one offline.

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Ok guys, I did the scary thing and went all the way back to the white line (even a little past it on the left front) on her fronts.
I know I still need to do take down her heels quite a bit (and after watching that ELPO video on Youtube, I thiiink I know how to go about that...) but the consensus seems to be that the toes are the main area of concern.
I really focused on just bringing them back in line with her pasterns and did nothing to the rest of the hoof.

*fingers crossed that they look better*
I thiiiink they look somewhat better. Obviously still stretched forward but I'll bring them back again in a week and hopefully that'll be the ticket.
She was licking and chewing as soon as I put each hoof down so perhaps she approves.

And I got a better full body picture for you. She really IS that butt-high.
I guess one thing that I'm concerned by is how her hooves seem to be SO tiny for her body size. I always thought they were relatively proportionate when I was using a farrier (admittedly, not great farriers, farriers that created lots of flare and other issues) but now I'm starting to wonder. Is it normal for hooves to just "shrink" like that? haha

Ok, new pictures:

Front right:

(the angle of this one is somewhat misleading I think)

Front left:

(still needs some real work - this is the one that went back into the WL)

(it really is unbalanced like this - need to fix that!)

Full body shot:

Thanks NM! That's a really good idea. I tried mapping it today, just visually, and it was hard. Using a picture is brilliant.

Thank you Trinity, that really makes sense. I feel better about things now. Really appreciate your help!

I had hoped to hold off with the hoof knife until post-Christmas when I have more money but it sounds like it's a more pressing issue that i thought. I'll get one asap.
I really appreciate the help!
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post #14 of 18 Old 12-08-2012, 04:00 PM
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Coincidentally, I did my horse's hooves today. I realized that I don't do exactly what I wrote above, but I think that's because I have her where I like her now and it's more maintenance than correction again. :) The big differences I noticed: I don't scoop the quarters with a knife, I use my rasp. And, when I rasp the walls on the bottom, I rasp until I actually take a *tiny* bit off her sole. (Remember this is after any excess has been removed.) Not a lot, just to say that I have evened out that edge callous. On her now, it ends up being about 1/2" around on the sole that gets touched by the rasp.

Her hooves are not tiny. It actually looks to me like there is still excess hoof. But, take a bit at a time. The toes do look better. Maybe later, post good pics of one of her feet (maybe the one you find most difficult) and ask for a critique on that. For me, it's a way of seeing what's actually there, not what we think is there.

Yes, properly trimmed barefoot hooves seemed small to me to at first. Then I got a big horse with big feet and it took everything I had to remember that the big horse's feet are definitely bigger than the small horse's feet. I kept trying to let the smaller horse grow feet as big as the other's! :) Yikes. But, ya, small feet generally are good feet, in my experience.
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Do you have any pics of the underside of the hooves? I'm starting to think you're dealing with a ton of false sole giving in false readings of where the hoof wall should be trimmed to.

You just have to see your don't have to like it.
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Wallaby, those trimmed hooves look soooo much better! Great job.
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I'd really like to know what mapping is. Pleeeze.
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Looking good Wallaby. There is definitely an improvement so far.

I started trimming my own 2 horses this summer, and like you I felt like they seemed very short, but I have been assured that they are ok. I think that yours are fine and actually eventually will probably become smaller still. I've read that with proper trimming the coffin bone will return to its proper position and the hoof capsule will remodel itself, in these cases becoming shorter/smaller.

If you'd like to see my Nugget's feet for an example check my post titled 3 month update.
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