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        03-02-2014, 09:39 AM
      #31
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by amigoboy    
    ...Nor am I a fan of the Do-It-Yourself Trimmers who think they can go to a couple of week-end seminars and think they are qualified not only to start trimming their own horses feet but other peoples horses as well.

    The Certified Farrier has several months of supervised training and $1000s invested in farrier trade...
    I wonder what people did before there were "Certified Farriers". My guess is that most farmers and others did their own work, with 'blacksmiths' doing it in more developed areas. Shoes were used when their feet couldn't grow fast enough to keep up with the wear.

    I'm not a huge fan of ANY business that typically refuses to return calls, or insists on doing work when they feel like it instead of when I need them.
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        03-02-2014, 09:54 AM
      #32
    Weanling
    I think we humans see a vision of what is "correct" but often that vision is very blurred and we also like "traditions" and basic standards and don't like to thwart from them. We are our biggest chllege when it comes to many things including animal care (ie horses since we are on the topic) and such. I have often wondered why some Farriers are so rigged in thier thinking but that is because thier masters (teachers) probably where also. There was a long yearling that I often looked after that was a little bit crooked on his left front, no big deal and past the point of correction. He wore his toe down more on one side than the other and well that's just because of the mechanical function of that particular leg/ankle that was normal because of the deviation he we born with. The horse was sound, always sound. Well the owner, by listeing to a probably well meaing farrier who didnt like it and had it "corrected". It was something that in my opion did not need correction. The horse later was showing up lame, not three legged lame but was definitely lame. He stayed lame for about a year. His training was put on hold and he was basicaly reduced to a pasture pet. Well circumstances changed and a new Farrier took over the hore's hoof care. This Farrier thought outside the box. I LOVE ppl who think outside the box. (I am one of them). He examined and allowed the diviation to be what it was and trimmed and shod the hoof to allow for more natural carriage (the owner wanted him shod in front.) The owner was at first not to happy about this because of what she had been told by the other Farrier, but she was tired of dealing with a lame horse. (She had two Vets out and had all kinds of work up done on the animal only to find nothing realy wrong except being a bit crooked.) In about 3 Farrier visits the horse was sound. She did agree to allow the horse to go shoeless for the first trimming cycle (to find the natural wear of the hoof due to the crooked ankle) and went from there. Me, myself and I believed this horse would be a good canidate for going shoeless. He had great hooves and though I expressed this thought to the owner she was a die hard "shoe em'" person. So by forcing the horse to conform to what we humans think is correct or perfect the animal suffered and was lame for a long timel. But when someone thought outside the riggid box and began to examine other possibilities and letting go of the "set" standards the animal (and other things outside of the animal kingdom) became right again.
    Those that think and work outside the box achieve a great deal in the realm of knowlege and experience than those that stay within the riggid confines of the box. But that's my opinion.

    Ps. Thinking outside of the confines of set standards and what humans think is correct is not a guarantee that things will work for the better but it sure broadens our perspective and knowlege.
         
        03-02-2014, 10:00 AM
      #33
    Weanling
    OK for crying out loud. One minute I get a "Page Cannot be found" message but when I go to repost I get a double posting. Can a Moderator chuck out one of the double postings? Please and thank you.
         
        03-02-2014, 04:47 PM
      #34
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    Originally Posted by Clava    
    I don't think Rockley is about being natural at all, it is about letting the hoof grow what it needs and providing a suitable environment to do so (be that plenty of work or movement on abrasive surfaces). Given the right domestic environment and movement, hooves can do a lot to create sound horses which had previously failed in all manner of corrective shoeing and professional intervention
    Begs the question, what does 'natural' mean to you then??
         
        03-03-2014, 01:30 AM
      #35
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    I wonder what people did before there were "Certified Farriers". My guess is that most farmers and others did their own work, with 'blacksmiths' doing it in more developed areas. Shoes were used when their feet couldn't grow fast enough to keep up with the wear.

    I'm not a huge fan of ANY business that typically refuses to return calls, or insists on doing work when they feel like it instead of when I need them.
    In the old days they did what they could when there was no help to be had....but this is not then...this is Now where we have laws that are suppose to protect animals.

    If the farrier is not retruning calls then that is a pretty good indication that he/she does not want that person as a customer.
    Rude on the part of the shoer, curtisy demands that the shoer notify that they are not avalible.
         
        03-03-2014, 03:19 AM
      #36
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Begs the question, what does 'natural' mean to you then??

    Natural is horses existing without intervention. Forced movement under saddle, working on roads and being kept on a surface is no more natural than out in a field, it is a program of conditioning.
         
        03-03-2014, 03:47 AM
      #37
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amigoboy    
    In the old days they did what they could when there was no help to be had....but this is not then...this is Now where we have laws that are suppose to protect animals.
    As those laws cannot stipulate that there are always *good* farriers around & available whenever & wherever needed, I think it's a bit irrelevant to the conversation personally.

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    Natural is horses existing without intervention.
    OK, you're talking literally. So using that definition, no one anywhere does anything natural with horses & 'natural hoofcare' is an oxymoron. I personally understand it as a concept, not literal.
         
        03-03-2014, 03:53 AM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    OK, you're talking literally. So using that definition, no one anywhere does anything natural with horses & 'natural hoofcare' is an oxymoron. I personally understand it as a concept, not literal.
    I actually do not think Rockley would describe their rehab program as "natural", They say...
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    Our objective is to improve soundness by allowing each horse to grow the healthiest possible hooves. We use conformable surfaces to keep horses comfortable when they first come out of shoes. Controlled and careful exercise (in hand and ridden) then helps build stronger and better balanced hooves.
         
        03-03-2014, 12:40 PM
      #39
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amigoboy    
    ...but this is not then...this is Now where we have laws that are suppose to protect animals...If the farrier is not retruning calls then that is a pretty good indication that he/she does not want that person as a customer...
    Thank goodness there are no laws in Arizona requiring a farrier to visit regularly...because apparently I haven't met any farriers in 6 years who want to trim 3 horses with good feet and good manners.

    As for the thread...it is entirely reasonable for horse owners to look at ways to get healthier hooves for less cost. If adjustments in how the horses are kept or what they are fed or how they are ridden can significantly extend the time between trimmings, and do so with healthier hooves, then that is good horsemanship, not animal cruelty.

    This is one of Mia's hooves at about 10 weeks:



    I don't see any indication that 6 weeks or 8 weeks is a magic number. Our mustang could probably go 4-5 months without attention, although he gets done when the other horses are trimmed. But since farriers prefer to come when it meets THEIR schedule instead of when my horses need a trim, learning to do some work and adjusting their care seems pretty reasonable to me.
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