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    08-06-2012, 01:16 AM
  #21
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I sit on a bucket and trim. All my clients and my personal horses adapted easily and seem to prefer it since I can get the foot and leg close to the body under them. I've got a bad back too and try to limit my standing trimming/work as much as possible unless there is no other way.
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    08-06-2012, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Trinity3205    
I sit on a bucket and trim. All my clients and my personal horses adapted easily and seem to prefer it since I can get the foot and leg close to the body under them. I've got a bad back too and try to limit my standing trimming/work as much as possible unless there is no other way.
I've never trimmed any horses but my own and I have lost my balance and fallen under every one of them Thankfully they have all adapted to that. They seem to understand they shouldn't romp on the body scrambling to crawl out from under, as it's the one handing out the feed pans twice a day

Depending which direction my back decides to aggravate me, I often sit on a step-stool. My little Arab is happy resting his rear hooves "upside down" on the step stool if I have to take the nippers to him.

My 25 yo TWH has really bad hock/ankle arthritis so has gone from handing me the tools to "please just get this over with". He has always grown hoof really fast. This last time it was only 2-1/2 weeks and I needed the knippers. I had to have my husband hold his hooves at a comfortable level for him, and I did the cutting, pretty much standing on my head.

I was just about flat-out the rest of that day. I can now only trim one horse a day, no matter how many Lidoderm patches I wrap up in and that is even more annoying.
     
    08-06-2012, 12:44 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
K.V. You nailed it though… I do have an old back injury that is easily aggravated. I’m not sure I can hold the foot for rasping for more than a minute or two at a time.
You can always use the stand (not that cheap one, but more pricey that allows to rest hind hoof as well). I have one (I got quite cheap off eBay years ago), and I use it every time I have to do touch-ups. Definitely a back-saver (I have issues with back and wrists so can't handle the weight)! :)
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    08-08-2012, 12:09 AM
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Same here KV. The back is from a car accident and the wrist was a job injury. Surgery put it all back together but they both limit me on some things.

I do sometimes squat down and rest a front foot on my knee (frog facing up) to inspect it, but never thought to sit on something. Hmmm. I’ll have to Google the rear hoof holders…
Great ideas everyone, ya’ll are starting to make me think I could actually do this.

Walkinthewalk-
Oh gosh... I know what that feels like.
I spent about an hour one day giving my horse's hooves a good wash and scrub down and made impressions (wet hoof to dry flat carboard works wonders) then I dried and measured them.
No biggie right?
I thought I was going to die! (After, I crawled to the house and the heating pad and nearly passed out.)
Sheesh... I had to pull my way back up his legs, or haul on his mane or tail to get upright because I would get stuck stooped over.
He was not real appreciative of it, but didn't complain too much... until a week later when I was just picking out a hoof and he decided to try a mouthful of my butt.
     
    08-08-2012, 09:09 AM
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Lockwood, a lot folks say Lidoderm patches don't work but I think they do.

They're not 100% but, if you can hit the spot on your back where the pain is and slap half a patch on, it does help by more than 50% - for me anyway. I cut them in half since they're so expensive but if I have a lot of outdoor stuff to do, I will wear two and be patched up in four places

The downer is they're by prescription and very expensive unless one has insurance.

I started taking Lubrisyn Lubrisyn HU Halstrum (Joint) a few months back, on the recommendation of the gal at the tack store.

It also helps quite a bit, as long as I remember to take it every day. The "HU" means it is for human consumption

Annnnd last but not least, since every little bit helps. I have Sore-No-More clay poultice for the horses. That stuff feels good on my hands when I put it on someone. Sore No More Cooling Clay Poultice Equilite (Health Care - Liniments) no more

This is a cooling clay, feels very silky and I really don't mind slathering my hand up with it

When I have to trim, I decided to slather it across the joints in my hand then wrap some vet wrap really tight. That helps with joint arthritis; it might help your wrist.

Between all these things and four Excedrin Extra Strength, I actually feel "human" long enough to get one horse trimmed, everyone brushed, fly-masked, sprayed and turned out - lol

What happens afterward is not pretty and nothing gets done the rest of the day

Almost forgot --- this, or something similar, is what I collapse on http://www.homedics.com/massage/body...with-heat.html and have been for the last 16 years. I burn one of these out yearly. If we ever lose power and have to hook the house to the generator, I would forego A/C before giving this up-- I think:)
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    08-16-2012, 11:11 AM
  #26
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Update

My regular farrier came this week and I decided to sit him down and really explain my concern’s with Dig’s hooves….(politely.)

I’m very glad I did and here is a condensed version…. (sort of O.o)
He listen to me and he answered my questions much better than he ever has before.
Then he was very patient as I pointed out each and every little thing I was concerned about….. literally hoof by hoof.

We (I) discussed the fast rate of growth and that the lack of timely trims was not helping Digby…and that I thought it was actually contributing to some frog issues, stress on the walls, and overall lack of good hoof health.
I told him I planned to order some hoof boots and he told me what he knew of them (mostly the older models as people around here generally don‘t use them) and agreed with my reasons for wanting them. He also helped take the measurements I needed.

When I asked how to fix a chip between trims (since Dig had one of those) and how to rasp should I need to because the walls and bars grow so fast between appointments, he was happy to show me. He also guided me while I rasped on Dig’s hooves explaining the proper angle and way for a smooth bevel, and what to do for normal chips.

He knows I could never actually use hoof nippers (small hands, bad wrist) so we didn’t go into that, but he did give me a nice quality used rasp. He said it was still very sharp and good for my needs on one horse and would last for many years if I took good care of it.
I wasn’t expecting that at all!

When I told him I had thought of buying one to keep on hand, he said that the ones I had in mind to buy from typical horse supply websites or places were not as good of quality as the one he gave me.

We (again, I) also discussed a better trim schedule. He agreed to come out just for Digby at four weeks and then again in four more weeks for Dig and the donks again. We’ll see how it goes and adjust accordingly.

In my previous posts I was hesitant to blame my horse’s hoof problems on my farrier, aside from too long between trims, because I didn’t think it was all his fault. And I was hesitant to say his trims were incorrect because I couldn’t say if they were, or they weren’t, correct for my area.
Since I’ve been learning more about hooves and have now talked with him about it, his trim style makes sense (in a broad sense) for the average bare horse here.

We had a pretty good discussion about how he does trim bare feet, why, and why he does what he calls a rocker toe based on how the ground in our area wears on hooves, to which he showed me on used shoes from the back of his truck to help explain.
He also explained how he would do (and has done) hooves a different way depending on what states/area they are in and why.

He is a humble guy and will be the first to tell you that he’s just an average joe of a farrier who hasn’t kept up with being current because our area doesn’t demand it. The usual client here really isn’t that involved and wants the least they have to do to get by.
But he understands my concerns now and that I want a more involved level of care. I think things will be better now and am very glad I chose to talk to him very directly with my concerns.

Although he didn’t say it, he seemed pleased that I had taken time to learn about the hoof, about what Dig needed, and was able to understand in trim terms what he does with the feet and why.
He did compliment the things I was doing nutrition wise, my approach to the hoof issues, the thrush treatment I‘m using, and my gentle trims on the frog clumps.

I have fresh trim pics, but am still resizing them to post later.
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    08-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Trinity3205    
I sit on a bucket and trim. All my clients and my personal horses adapted easily and seem to prefer it since I can get the foot and leg close to the body under them. I've got a bad back too and try to limit my standing trimming/work as much as possible unless there is no other way.
Do you have any suggestions on how to keep the hoof still for rasping while sitting on a bucket? Do you cradle it between your knees?
(Still trying to wrap my head around working on the hoof white sitting...)
     
    08-16-2012, 01:57 PM
  #28
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Oh Happy Happy Day! Your farrier sounds like a great and earnest fella

He is spot on about the quality of rasps and it was very nice of him to give you one that, while used, is not used up and show you how to use it

Start a folder on your PC for hoof pics. They will be a great frame of reference to not only help you in your rasping efforts but to go back and look at how the hooves & frogs have changed, over time.

I have gotten so I can tell who was doing the trimming and I can pretty much recognize the bottoms of anyone of my four horses' hooves without knowing which folder I'm in.

You may even find yourself becoming slightly obsessed with the physics of Digby's hooves; why "this side" of "this" hoof wears different than "that side" of "that" hoof. Or, ok, the wear pattern has changed, why? Is he off and I'm not seeing it? Lol lol lol

Hooves can be puzzling little head scratchers once you get to delving into what makes them work. Annnnd when you start going on-line looking at those tiny little (and fragile) bones from the fetlock joint down into the hoof, you will soon marvel at how they support all that weight on those fragile little "wiggies"

That could also lead to the same obsession with the Donkeys, since their hooves are different than those of a horse

As far as sitting on a bucket or stool and getting the leg to quit squirming, with me, it was just something that took practice with my three Walkers. The Arab latched onto that "leg support" the first time I put his leg across mine but the TWH's took a bit of time to understand it was "ok"
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    08-16-2012, 05:17 PM
  #29
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    08-16-2012, 05:18 PM
  #30
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
Do you have any suggestions on how to keep the hoof still for rasping while sitting on a bucket? Do you cradle it between your knees?
(Still trying to wrap my head around working on the hoof white sitting...)
I just rest the foot on my knee and hold the leg steady with one hand and rasp/nip/knife with the other. I can easily let go and use two hands for most horses that know the drill also.

Heres is someone else who sits and talks about it. The Lazy Woman’s Guide to Hoof Trimming « Caskey Studios Weblog

I will say that I don't face the horse directly like she is, I turn a bit towards the rear of the horse. It gives me a much stronger angle to hold a leg if need be. I can hold all but the most fractious horses back legs which are the most dangerous if I am turned more rearward facing and cradle it in my arm around the cannon. I also get close and stay close and keep my feet somewhat out to the sides. The closer you are the better. I find a bucket better because it is easy to simply stand up and jump backwards out of the way if need be vs those steps.
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