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post #11 of 38 Old 05-14-2014, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Roux View Post
I am with Patty on this one. I use that technique on my own horses and client's horses and have not had a horse become injured from trauma. It is an effectice and appropriate way to correct flare.

Over all I think all of the hoof photos that you have posted look fantastic. There is no critical problems you need to address you just need to maintain what are already good looking feet :)
I hope you have liability insurance if you are messing with other people horses feet.

That is "not" the appropriate way to trim a hoof!
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Amigo - you have a lot of value to say I am sure. But must you insist on being so critical and haughty to those who offer a perspective that is different from your own? Its frustrating to constantly receive these type of comments - which are not at all helpful.

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I've read a great deal of Patty's threads both here and on another forum. Considering who she is and what she does, I would go with her suggestions.
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Originally Posted by Roux View Post
Amigo - you have a lot of value to say I am sure. But must you insist on being so critical and haughty to those who offer a perspective that is different from your own? Its frustrating to constantly receive these type of comments - which are not at all helpful.
You can see it as critic if you like, but others members must be aware that you DO NOT WEAKEN THE HOOF WALL as shown in the photo! Thats just common sense.
There is nothing helpful by encouraging others too do so! it is both foolish and dangours.
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post #15 of 38 Old 05-14-2014, 12:53 PM
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Amigoboy - Rather than say 'do not do it this way' why not explain how you would deal with 'flares'?
I can see that the OP's horse is not an extreme case but quite often we see pics on here that are and it would be more helpful to members if they could see different ideas for treating them rather than just a negative statement
My qualified farrier uses much the same approach as Patty - my pinto had feet that were inclined to be too flared when I bought her but is now 'normal'
I found this pic of a website showing progress on a welsh cob that had flared feet that seems to use the same technique
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post #16 of 38 Old 05-14-2014, 03:16 PM
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Hi jaydee.
Depending on where the flares are.
Flairs in the toe is what you guys have been calling "streatching", itīs like a duck bill, both the sole and wall have grown down and forward. It has too be trimmed down from the sole side. Digging down into the toe with your little hoof knife can tell you how much too take off. After a while you know just by looking at the hoof. I know some shoers in America measure 4" from the hair line to the tip of the toe, about a hand wide. (this can depend on the horse).
Flairing on the quarter is due to poor conformation where one side of the hoof is baring more weight than the other. The flair side you can take off as far as the white line by rasping straight up and down.
The flair side will often be longer than the other and will need to be taken down a bit just as on the toe.

You do not rasp away the hoof wall like shown in Pattys picture and the one you found as that is what is protecting the living tissue. You do not want too make the wall thinner!
Do you know how often jumpers slam their feet into the cross bars when taking a jump?
You get bleeding there in the front of the hoof capsule and you can have hitting your nail with a hammer.

I hope I have made it clear now.
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I actually agree with Amigoboy, I would not rasp the hoof wall as it will weaken the hoof. Sometimes flare, isn't flare and it is something the horse is doing to balance a hoof (but I think that is a whole other discussion). Personally I believe in working hooves so they self trim as far as possible, then all you have to do is occasionally tidy edges, but this is only possible with horses who can work on a variety of surfaces and if possible live on them too. Diet is also key. My TB and halfinger largely self trim, and I never rasp the outside hoof wall.
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Hmm, I think it depends. On how much & degree. I do not have a problem at all(in theory or practice) doing what was shown in Patty's pic.

But it is vital to ensure enough protection to the front of the foot/bone (no issue in eg given...). To ensure this, my very basic 'rules' are not to rasp more than 1/3 up from the ground and to leave more than there would be if the wall was well attached & strong.

But IME the ground/bearing(remember, horses mostly on yielding footing so don't just think of bearing just on flat concrete) surface is the most important & 'dressing' the flare on the surface is largely(not completely) superficial. I tend to focus on strong bevelling of stretched walls at the ground surface.
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I believe the strong difference of opinion here stems from different ideas about the basic function of the hoof wall and other structures of the foot.

Amigoboy, you were taught the same way I was initially 32 years ago. Obviously you have has a successful carer using those methods. And you still believe that the hoof wall is supposed to be a primary weight bearing structure. I was taught that too. Therefore I USED to believe that, and I used that same theory for 14 years.

However after being introduced to some new and thought provoking ideas in early 1996, I changed my thinking over time by trying out these ideas on horses, and seeing the successful results.
I consistently witnessed rapid positive changes in my own client's horses that convinced me to look differently at the horses foot and move away from how farriers have been trimming and shoeing for the last few centuries. it has been nothing but positive, and horses have improved their soundness and performance, across the board. for me as well as all the other farriers who arwe doing it the newer way.

So Amigoboy, just as your methods are accepted and safe, so is this. It is just a little different approach . Your fears that this method harms horses are unfounded as long as the method is applied correctly. (just as in traditional methods)

As well I am a bit confused with what you say about the weakening of the wall by removing flare because ALL decent farriers I know including AFA journeymen remove flare from the hoof wall routinely. Do you have issue with them.

The AFA says in their guidelines that the farrier should remove the flare BEFORE fitting a shoe to the foot. Given that you clearly support the AFA doesn't that create conflict with your idea that is needs to be left alone? Please clarify that contradiction for me.
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Also a bent (flared) wall is not supporting anything very well because it is bending outward as it loads. It is weak.
Removing the flare removes the bending forces and allows the new wall to re-grow in straighter and stronger. So if you believe the wall is the main support structure, would you not want to get it stronger by being straighter?
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