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post #11 of 19 Old 12-12-2008, 08:35 PM
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I keep my horses without shoes, but I've never heard of a "barefoot trimmer". Do they specialise in only trimming horses with no shoes? I usually just get my normal farrier to do it. Just be aware that not all farriers are good, I have been through many, and if you haven't used the farrier before that could be the problem.

Also, why do you have shoes on half the year and not the other half? I get that in some places ground can be pretty bad, but I would think that overall changing from shoe to no shoe every year wouldn't be great for the horse, their hoof has enough time to grow tender and then you take the shoes of and they have to adjust their paces etc. I find that most horses, given time, can adjust to dealing almost all footings without shoes.

I had an ex racer, who was shod all his life, and then one shoeing a farrier cut him way too short. The next day he was laim, and we got a good farrier out and they told us that it would be best just to leave him for a few months, to outgrow everything. So we took his shoes off, didn't ride him for a few months, and after without shoes he was sounder than ever. Riding over rocks didn't bother him. My current horse has never had shoes on and she's fine.

It could be just him being a bit sore after a trim, but if he doesn't seem to get much better then maybe see if you can find a different farrier who is experienced in barefoot to come out and have a look.
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post #12 of 19 Old 12-12-2008, 09:11 PM
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Generally, when switching farriers, they trim slightly different, especially coming from a traditional farrier to a barefoot trimmer. That being said, once your horse is fully adjusted to a real barefoot trim, there isn't any reason you can't ride immediately after a trim, it's true. But when you change something, such as the farrier or the horse hasn't been out of shoes long, it's better to give the horse a day or two before you expect normal performance.
The reason being is that structures within the hoof may move and have slighly different mechanics going on that the horse needs to adjust to, just carrying his own weight, kind of like when you drive a different car. All the same, yet different, right? Also, until he's used to it, he's more suseptable to bruising, which COULD lead to an abscess, but not always. Could be he's just bruised or has a strong sense of self-preservation and knows his limits on hard packed ground right now.
If he has bruised soles, a few days rest may help and you could try soaking his hooves in a warm water/epsom salts mix. It's soothing, and won't hurt anything, and may make you feel better.
A couple more trims with the same trimmer and he could be ready to ride the same day. If you notice any soreness, get off, don't expect him to work on ouchy feet, and put boots on when you get them. Let the trimmer know what happened at the next visit. In the mean time, keep checking for heat just in case the bruising develops into an abscess. If the horse continues to experience sensitivity after a trim, after several, then something is wrong and the trimmer is probably making a mistake. And it could be he just messed up this time. It happens, as much as no farrier/trimmer likes to admit, sometimes we still trim them shorter than we should, but it shouldn't happen on a regular basis. If it does, the trim needs to change, the vet needs to take a pic or the trimmer needs to change.
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post #13 of 19 Old 12-12-2008, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
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Barefoothooves I was hoping you would see
Well I just got back from seeing him and just 1 foot definatly is the sore one. He did work on the lunge line better tonight but I didn't wwork him hard at all!!! I can tell you that he has really flat front feet and my new trimmer did not take any sole off as him and I talked about that. But Sandman (my horse) did have flares in both front feet and the part of the hoof wall closest to the heels had started curling under, so my new trimmer did take those off so maybe the heels are sore? Like I said it is 1 foot that is hurting him more then the rest. He is a tiny bit ouchy on the other but not even half as bad. I plan on going out tomorrow so I will try to take pictures for you guys.
Now I have a throbbing headache and if you read through the rest of this you will know why.
So I bring my boy back in after the lunge and letting him loose in the indoor so he could roll and just wonder around and be nosy. And I groomed him, put his blanket on gave him some water, then I feed him his dinner....
Then he starts to look weird.. then stretches his front legs way out in front of him. Now at this point I am getting kind of nervous... then he gets back up and wonders around the aisle of the barn, then he stretches out again makes a loud groaning and poops. So then my barn owner comes in and says that she almost called me last night because he wouldn't eat for awhile.
So now I am going to be worrying all night about him collicing. His poop was kind of dry. I knows he is drinking because I make sure he drinks while I am there, but I don't know if he is drinking enough. He pooped twice while I was with him tonight.
Ugh just another thing to worry about.

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post #14 of 19 Old 12-17-2008, 01:47 PM
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Prbygenny. I hope your horse is doing better today. This sounds silly but It sounds like the poor fellow is having a little "no shoe" anxiety I'm sure all will work out with him. You've got some great folks here on the forum to help support you. Barefoothooves is our trimmer (Vidaloco and mine) she also does Appyt's horses (thank you Appyt for recommending Amber).
Before barefoothooves (Amber), my mare Sassafras was always a little tender after a trim even though she has been barefoot her whole life.. I figured this would always be the case so when Amber first started trimming her we fitted her with a set of hoof boots. We tried them on her, they fit great. But she has never been tender footed since Amber took over. I'll keep the boots for when we go back to the mountains but Fras is trucking fine without them. Amber trimmed the mares on the 21st of November these pictures were taken on the 22nd.

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We also do a lot of conditioning, like riding on the gravel road, down a rocky creek or up and down rocky paths. Start out slow and build up.

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post #15 of 19 Old 12-17-2008, 08:25 PM
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Can you get pics of your horses hooves?


You're very welcome. I'm so glad she stayed in the area instead of moving back to Arkansas as she originally planned. ;) She's too busy to leave now. LOL

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post #16 of 19 Old 12-17-2008, 11:37 PM Thread Starter
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Yes as soon as I can get pictures I will. We have had some really bad storms blowing through and I just haven't had my mind on grabbing the camera when I actually make it out to the barn but. I will soon. Thanks for all your support guys!!

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post #17 of 19 Old 12-18-2008, 07:46 AM
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Barefoot naturally

About 10 years ago my mare was trimmed too short by a regular farrier. Since then she hates farriers so much that I decided to take care of her feet -- and the feet of my other three horses -- myself. Since in nature horses seem to function well with no farriers, I simply rasp the bottom of their hooves when they are getting a bit long as nature would wear it down. They've been doing really well with this routine. Maybe I'm just lucky and they have great hooves!
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post #18 of 19 Old 12-18-2008, 09:18 AM
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All 3 of our horses are barefoot. We actually trim ourselves, we had a certified barefoot trimmer teach us. We follow Pete Ramey's way of trimming and it's wonderful! 9 months ago I got my warmblood who had very flat feet in the front and severly flared hind feet. They tried putting shoes on him at one time but he promptly ripped them off (smart horse!). I'm glad he didn't have shoes on. Now his front feet are concave and his back feet look almost normal. His heels have decontracted and his frogs have gotten more full and healthy. He used to not be able to walk across any gravel without looking lame but now he walks across it without missing a beat. He'll even trot across it if he feels motivated enough lol.

How is your horse doing today? I hope everything turned out okay with his strange behavior.
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post #19 of 19 Old 12-18-2008, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by prbygenny View Post
Yes as soon as I can get pictures I will. We have had some really bad storms blowing through and I just haven't had my mind on grabbing the camera when I actually make it out to the barn but. I will soon. Thanks for all your support guys!!
I understand that, weather has a way of messin with our best plans. lol

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