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    07-14-2011, 05:33 PM
You really should use some thrushbuster on her feet
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    07-14-2011, 08:25 PM
That's actually just mud. She doesn't have thrush, it's been too dry for it.
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    07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
Riccil0ve -- it doesn't have to be wet to have thrush. It is possible that your horse has some, but it's hard to see that from the pic for sure. A nice non-invasive "treatment" is to wash with lysol and water, rinse and apply anti-fungal cream mixed with polysporin and zinc cream. The same treatment would be a good idea on those cracks.

As for the trim, the big thing I noticed was the unevenness of the fronts. Are the backs the same? If you look at her fronts from the front () and draw a line across her coronet, you will see that her coronet slopes downward to the outside on both. It could be that she wears her feet that way and the trimmer is not recognizing it when working, therefore just taking the same amount off both quarters. It's important to assess the trim after to catch things like this. The front heels do look even, so it's likely the quarters and toe that are out. The last pic show her turning, so it's hard to see if she walks / stands unevenly. Even if she did, I'm not sure I would be the one to assess that anyway. I'm not very good at conformation.

All that said, much improvement! :) She is a happier horse for sure.
    07-14-2011, 10:34 PM
NorthernMama - I also use the Lysol and water solution for soaking. However, I recommended it on another thread and someone else pointed out that the bottle says it kills 99.9% of bacteria and they felt that it was too harsh. Pete Ramey recommends it on his website and my barefoot trimmer also recommends it. She said that it does not kill off the good bacteria, but she did not give me anything to back that up. It has worked great for me and I will continue to use it. I was just wondering if you had heard the same thing about killing the bad bacteria and not the good?
    07-14-2011, 10:40 PM
I realize that, manure build-up can cause thrush too. But it's not thrush in the photos, it's mud. =]

The photo of her moving is just because she's pretty, I don't expect anyone to critique that.

I did notice that, about the coronet band. I'll bring it up on the next appointment [4 weeks].
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    07-15-2011, 01:00 AM
Sooo much better! ...Not that that would have been difficult, how they were... You're trimmer looks to be doing a decent job, based on what can be told from these pics.

Yeah, it doesn't look to me like her frogs are very thrushy, if at all, but given that they're not yet that healthy, I'd be using something mild regularly as a preventative measure at least. I would however get more serious with those toe cracks, as I'd suspect that the front one at least(can't see back in any detail) probably has infection in it, which can perpetuate the crack despite good trimming and can get worse if not treated. I'd be inclined to excavate it & soak in a thrush treatment. I imagine it's not that deep at all past an inch or so up.

Re lysol(RatherBeRiding), I'm not familiar with that, but is it a mouthwash or some such?? Yeah, my feeling about antibacterials are that they kill bacteria, not that they find out which ones are considered 'good' or not. I think the thing with any strong 'killer' is that they should be used when necessary & not long term. Also, if it's only an antibacterial, it may do nothing for fungal infection, of which thrush can often be a combo. Therefore I go for a broad spectrum approach.

She still has a fair bit of stretching at the toe & toe quarters, which I'd probably back up/stronger 'roll' further. I've marked a line on your lateral view pic to indicate - looks like the flaring starts about the middle of your second finger in that pic, and above that point is the plane the toe wall 'wants' to be on - parallel with P3. The sole pic I marked shows approx where I'd 'back up/strong roll to. The horizontal lines on the sole pic indicate the widest part of the foot, back of the heel, which is where I got the idea of the 'breakover' area around the toe. See for more info on that. The blue vertical lines on that pic indicate where I might 'scoop' or roll the quarters a bit more.

In the front on pics, it appears there's a fair bit of m/l imbalance(Of course, may just be the angle of the pix). Both feet look longer on the inside. The hoof walls appear straighter, more upright on the inside, which has led to more height & flaring on the outside. This is common & it may well have been that way long term, so may need to be kept in check so it can be *allowed* to gradually change, or at least not be under more pressure, rather than attempting to force any changes by just trimming more inside or whatever. I would probably be inclined to 'roll' the inside toe quarters more, to help this, as it appears, from what can be seen, that there is little if any to come off from the ground surface - they appear balanced in relation to the sole plane? I've rotated the pic & drawn a line across the hairline & one down the grain of the wall to indicate where I'm getting the idea of imbalance from.
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    07-15-2011, 01:26 AM
Yay, Loosie!!

My farrier gave me a great solution for that deep crevice in her frog on her front left. She was getting really tender and I think it was super thrushy in there. But anyway, she said to mix athlete's foot cream and triple antibiotic ointment +pain and it cleared it right up. Every few days and every wet day, I also put it along her frog and she hasn't had any thrush since. =]

The being longer on the inside is I think typical for her. It is not the angle of the picture. I took them with my iPhone and had the bottom flat on the ground for all the picture. Next time my trimmer comes out, I'll see if she can make time to analyze her again and figure out where to go from here. But as you said, there is definitely drastic improvement!

On the side view, there's still a little "bell" from the old hoof that's growing out. I forgot to talk to her about relieving the wall like that diagram you posted at the top of the last page. But either way, there doesn't seem to be enough that's really affecting her movement like it was. I'll try to remember to point it out this time.

I will also talk to her about rolling her toe and quarters. I can understand rolling the toe, and mostly understand about rolling the inside to balance her hoof out, but why the outside? Just to make it even so you aren't just rolling 3/4 of the foot?

Shoot, there was one more thing I wanted to address...

Oh, the cracks in her wall. Is there any way for me to shove stuff in there? I can use the TAO and athlete's foot cream if I could get it in there. I can barely run my fingernail in it. I can use ACV and stretch her leg all the way out in front of her and pour it on, would that work? Those cracks have been there for awhile, and I would much prefer them gone. Will I have to wait for her next appointment and have my trimmer dig in them a bit?

And just so everyone knows, I plan to stick with every 4 weeks until that last "bell" of old hoof is long gone and then re-consider moving back to 6 weeks. My trimmer is going to help me measure and fit for hoof boots next appointment too. =D
    07-15-2011, 05:08 AM
Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
I will also talk to her about rolling her toe and quarters. I can understand rolling the toe, and mostly understand about rolling the inside to balance her hoof out, but why the outside? Just to make it even so you aren't just rolling 3/4 of the foot?
Because the outside toe quarters(front sect of quarters, sides of toe area) are flared too. Hard to tell, but it appears there may be more stretching at the toe quarters than at the middle of the toes.

Oh, the cracks in her wall. Is there any way for me to shove stuff in there? ... I can barely run my fingernail in it. ...have my trimmer dig in them a bit?
Yes, I can see they're not open cracks, which is why I think without 'excavating', it would be impossible for you to 'shove stuff up there' effectively. That's why I suggest soaking - at least with a good half hr soak, it'll get in a fair way. Yes, IMO your trimmer needs to open them up & dig out the infected area, to some degree at least. Once they're open, while soaking is still most effective IMO, you can often get away with scrubbing them with copper sulphate or some such. Even packing them with Manuka honey can be very effective.
    07-15-2011, 06:25 PM
Lysol is called Dettol in the UK I think.
    07-15-2011, 06:26 PM
I've never tried it on hooves, but it is good for the floor. (Lysol)

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