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post #11 of 152 Old 12-13-2010, 10:02 PM
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I think it's flaring because the inside (medial side) is higher than the outside. I don't think the flare itself is a problem, but rather a symptom that her feet are out of balance. Just my humble opinion. I trim my own horses but am not a professional farrier. But that is what I see.

It wouldn't hurt to rasp the breakover back at the toe. In other words, rocker that toe more like the shape of the natural balance shoe, so she has less toe to trip over or strain her tendons. Again, just some ideas.
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Ooh, ok. NorthernMama, I *think* that's just a shadowy part of her frog. I'll be sure to take a closer in the morning and let you know.

Trail, thanks for the input. That was one of the things I thought of. My original farrier gave her a nice break-over, I think she called it a mustang roll, and Ricci never had a problem with her. In fact, when I stopped using that farrier [she was a little looney and it got uncomfortable having her at the barn] is when Ricci started having problems. The following farrier didn't do anything drastic. Maybe it could be something as simple as a better break over. =]

If it matters, the original farrier trimmed her that way because when I got Ricci, she had a huge crack in her left front toe and did that break-over to relieve the pressure on it so it could grow out. Would that be a different kind of thing than a mustang roll?

Also, would that toe crack be relevant? It's been gone for two years now, but I have no idea how long she had it before that, although she was sound on it.

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post #13 of 152 Old 12-13-2010, 11:29 PM
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And Kevin, sorry, my vet isn't wrong. Or rather, the nerve block can't lie. The pain is in her foot and this farrier/trim isn't helping.
I'm not saying that the pain isn't in the foot. I'm saying that the trim probably isn't going to fix it by itself. There may be something happening internally that didn't show up on the x-rays the first time or that your vet missed. I don't think the way she is trimmed is causing her the lameness.

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post #14 of 152 Old 12-14-2010, 01:32 PM
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I don't think you need a new farrier as much as you need a new vet. I don't see anything about that trim that should be causing chronic lameness. It may not be perfect but it shouldn't cause lameness.
I have to agree with Kevin.

I admit the hoof angle does not match her pastern angles, but like has already been said, she has such posty pasterns I am not sure you would want her feet that vertical.

To give you some story of why I agree with Kevin. Nerve blocks showed my old guy's lameness was in his hoof area. Other than a slight amount of arthritic change that the vet was pretty sure was not enough to cause the amount of lameness we were seeing the slew of x-rays did not show anything you would not expect.
Then we pulled out the ultrasound machine. There was a lesion on the collateral ligament.

Not something you can find easily by just touching and poking.
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Hmm... I'll press for ultrasounds when the vet comes out to do teeth. Between Ricci's colic and Gracie's mysterious jowl swelling, I simply can't afford him to come out before that. In any case, I'm not happy with her feet. So in the meantime, I do want to see something change. As was said, the trim itself isn't bad, nor is the farrier, but her feet never looked this bad before I started changing farriers. But I'll be sure to get ultrasounds when he is out next if nothing changes. Thank you both!

ETA: Could having poorly trimmed feet for this amount of time be the cause? I mean, if her feet looked like this for the last 9 months, would that cause chronic lameness? It's an honest question. =]
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post #16 of 152 Old 12-14-2010, 08:48 PM
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I don't feel I am experienced enough to give you any advice, although from the pictures I can spot a few things that seem "wrong". I look forward to seeing Loosie's thoughts on your mare's condition.

I'd be very interested in seeing her x-rays, if you had any way to post them on here. From the front/side view it would appear as though her feet are terribly long, but the sole view shows that she really can't go any shorter at this point either. This is something I dealt with initially with Amarea's Rain as well. Careful trimming and booted riding has helped some of Rain's inner structures recede back into the hoof capsule quite a bit in a fairly short time. Ricci's toes seem very long, and her quarters sure look like they could be a bit shorter, especially in light of the flaring and separation at the white line. How long has the current farrier been working with her? Remember a hoof doesn't grow all that quickly, it can take a good amount of time to see results from what is being done. I'd sure like to see a more exaggerated rolled edge and the breakover brought a bit further back though.

ETA - in response to your edit lol. Freyja has some lasting unsoundness off and on, although believed to be caused initially from her hoof problems, the soreness that crops up is resulting arthritis from hobbling around for so many years. Her hooves are now sound, but her joints sustained some damage in the meantime. However if you had a nerve block that demonstrated the pain was limited to the hoof, I should think you are still dealing with a hoof problem.

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I don't think that the trim alone would cause lameness. It's not horrendous, just not great.

Due to lack of toe callous she could be more sensitive; if there is a great deal of thrush there that has progressed, that could make her sore. She could, as suggested, have some soft tissue strain that could make her off. This would be due to the long toes, or being out of balance, though I can't see that on these pics. Not saying it isn't so, I just don't see it. Or it could be a combination of factors, one of which could be something totally different - like she smacked her foot on something without you realizing. Also we are seeing only one hoof here. If I had to attribute lameness to the hoof, I would go with thrush, but that's a stretch I think.

As for the mustang roll -- If your previous trimmer said she was doing a mustang roll, that's probably all she was doing. She may have been a bit more aggressive on it to relieve the crack, but maybe not. W/out pics of course we can't even guess.

Personally, I'd put up with the nutty trimmer if she treats my horse right rather than the polite farrier who screws it up. Who are you gonna call this time?
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Thanks for the insight, you guys.

Indy, I have been using this farrier for approximately 9 months. Plenty of time for him to make a difference. It could be a deeper problem, but it's all I have to go on after several vet visits.

Northern, the thrush is no worse than normal for her this time of year. And the original, good farrier wasn't just a little nutty. She texted my friend when she was also at the barn and was doing her horse as well as mine. Anyway, it was like 10pm and she was asking if she could borrow my friends trailer to move her horses because the police were after her and she had to move her horses now but couldn't use her trailer because the tabs were expired. I may be over-reacting but it made us both very uncomfortable, combined with her other strange behavior. That and when I did let her know I was going to start using someone else, she went a little stalker-ish on me. O_o
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OK, so I wouldn't put up with the nutty trimmer either! Keep us posted with what you find out about Ricci. Hopefully it's a little thing and an easy fix.
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Trailhorserider, I think I see the imbalance you are talking about now. I wonder if it is really there or if it's the angle of the pic? Is this what you mean? You're right, it does seem to be out quite a bit.

Man, I love analyzing hoof pics. Wish I had more time. Maybe I could get halfway good at it and get my own horse's front feet right <sigh>
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