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post #21 of 62 Old 06-19-2012, 12:22 AM
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If what you 'believed' were in any way true, it would change forever the way in which farriery and veterinary medicine attempt to assist horses suffering laminitis.
But it has already. Where have you been? Or are the vets & farriers that have changed their approach & finding more effective ways to deal with laminitis all part of your big conspiracy theory, in your eyes? Because of lack of good quality studies, different conventional opinions based on previous and anecdotal 'knowledge' and lack of understanding, it has indeed been slow to come to serious attention of many. Not to mention of human nature any change is generally ridiculed & resisted by the masses before it's accepted...

I do not believe anyone has all the answers yet, but discounting an important principle/approach, that has been shown to be effective, in favour of principles that lead to assumptions of distal descent of P3 or 'rotation' past a certain degree or solar penetration being impossible to reverse is not the most objective attitude IMO.
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post #22 of 62 Old 06-19-2012, 08:24 PM
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OP, please be extremely careful with lowering the heel of the club foot. If it keeps growing back quickly, it's trying to tell you something. Something higher up in the leg or even shoulder is off and not able to function effectively yet. When you see the sole near the back of the foot shedding, it's ready.

I'm a few months ahead of you in terms of working with a club/flat foot horse. What worked for me is to forget about the club foot. As eager as I was to get the heel down on my horse's club foot to get the boney column aligned, the key to the club foot was the other foot. Like your horse, it was flat, with a long toe, and under run heel. When we first pulled the shoes, that flat foot went splat. First thiing I did was put a padded boot on it. The rest was addressed entirely through trimming. Every time that toe tried to creep forward, we knocked it back. At the same time we played a tight rope game with the heel. We kept dragging that back the moment it started growing to keep it from growing forward, but not so short that he had no heel. Any excess hoof wall was kept beveled to the 1/16 above the sole to prevent laminae separation which would have made the flat foot flatter. About two months in, I suddenly saw the sole on the club foot shedding, so we took a smidge of heel off. Two weeks later it shed again, we smidged again. About a month ago, the flat foot unflattened, grew some heel, the wall thickened considerably and it began to support itself. The overall shape has become so much tighter and less flared that I had to go down a boot size. The two feet have now settled to where they will probably remain long time.

Sorry I wrote a book, but my point is, be patient and let the club foot tell you when it's ready to come down. I really belive the key is in the flat foot. My horse now grazes with both feet even or interchangeably. He's still a long way from a barefoot horse, but the trimming has definitely been the key to date. Keep your toes short, don't allow excess wall, drag that heel back and you'll get there.
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post #23 of 62 Old 06-19-2012, 08:45 PM Thread Starter
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thanks for the advice myboypuck, i will definitely mention your suggestions to my farrier. She does think that the best idea is to put shoes back on her front feet until the toe that was torn off begins to regrow.

as far as shedding, all 4 feet have actually shed their soles and frogs within the first 3 weeks of taking the shoes off. that was actually the first major change i noticed in her feet. the left hind foot is still in the process of shedding the frog but all her other feet have completely shed.

i now wish i had gotten solar pics before we took her shoes off, her soles and frogs look 10x's better than they did when they had shoes. and the biggest difference is how much the heel has expanded in the clubbed foot and the huge difference in the fog. before taking her shoes of, her clubbed foot had such a narrow cracking frog surrounded by awful thrush.



one of my newest questions would be.. since her shoulder is still slightly higher on the left (clubbed side) when i stand behind her, how do i work on "fixing" that with her? (if its something that even can be fixed?
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one of my newest questions would be.. since her shoulder is still slightly higher on the left (clubbed side) when i stand behind her, how do i work on "fixing" that with her? (if its something that even can be fixed?
I think ultimately that depends on how it started. If it was just a young horse with long legs and a short neck needing to extent one foot to reach grass, I would think that could potentially be worked out. I've been getting my horse regular massages so that any muscle that had been in a constant state of contraction could be worked apart. He spent the first 9 years of his life with knots in his right shoulder. They are now gone.

Something else like an actual injury might not ever work itself out, but as long as the horse can compensate, hopefully the long term damage would be kept to a minimum. Are your horse's hip bones even when you stand behind him? My horse's left hip is higher while his right shoulder is lower.

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her hip bones do appear to be even when i stand behind her. and as far as i know she hasn't had any major injuries.

i was told by her previous owners (again, not sure how reliable they are) that she had a bad abscess as a 2 year old and that why her "good foot" is so pancaked.

she is quite tall, and had reached about 16.3hh as a 3 year old so there is a possibility of it being because she was reaching.
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Here is some reading for you. It may take a little wading through it but will answer your questions. If you have trouble understanding some of it or have more questions bring them back and we'll try and answer them. Don't try and read it when your in a hurry;)

Equine Podiatry | Dr. Stephen O'Grady, veterinarians, farriers, books, articles
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Re changing the club/shoulder/hip prob, I'd get a good bodyworker to come tell you the likelihood/degree you may(or may not) be able to improve her 'conformation'.

Re previous owner's comment, I would say it's more likely that she got the abscess *because* her foot was 'pancaked'.

Re height & having to reach to graze, yes, I think grazing posture is one reason horses develop a 'club'.
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Just a quick update....

My mare got her front shoes put on today. The farrier said what foot she does have on the club is very healthy. The hope is now that she has shoes it will give the toe a chance to grow rather than wearing down so quickly. The toe on the clubbed foot is also quite bruised.

The "good" foot is very flared from being barefoot and the farrier said it will probably take one or two more trims to get it back where she wants it.

The hope now is that she will actually keep her shoes on since she has quite the history of pulling them off. My farrier said of she does pull a shoe between now and her next appointment that she will try putting half rounds on her instead.

I will post pics later when I am not on my phone.
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okay here are some pictures for those who are interested....

both front feet:
fronts 7:26.jpg


both front heels:
heels 7:26.jpg


front right heel:
right heel 7:26.jpg


front left heel:
left heel 7:26.jpg


front right:
front right side 7:26.jpg


front left:
front left side 7:26.jpg


front right solar:
front right solar 7:26.jpg


front left solar:
front left solar 7:26.jpg





as always, any comments/suggestions/thoughts are welcome!! :)
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looks great!
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