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    10-23-2013, 05:15 PM
Yes had room to back up heel and toe and angle is good
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    10-23-2013, 06:54 PM
Hooley dooley PFB have you had a sleepless night or something?? Pity there aren't any cross eyed smileys!
    10-23-2013, 08:36 PM
LOL. What can I say, I'm hoof obsessed. Hope they look better!
    10-24-2013, 03:37 AM
Haha! I meant I your last post before pics seemed to... go round in circles! I would bevel the toe more strongly & take the quarters back to the sole plane & strong bevel from back at the heels where I marked other pic. Yes, I do think whether or not you have to leave the heels a certain length, quarters should be addressed, which reduces the forward pull on heels.
    10-24-2013, 05:38 AM
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Is the horse lame?

The hooves look like they need a break from trimming.
    10-24-2013, 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Clava    
Is the horse lame?

The hooves look like they need a break from trimming.
LOL. No the horse is not lame, and has never been lame. She lives in pasture, soft. I will take a break now.

Loosie, thanks. I think maybe Clava is right. I should give it a few weeks and just touch up the quarters more when I get some more foot. Her toes could come back more but I didn't want to overdue. AND I think that the quarters had a lot to do with this. I feel they were too long for a while-a long while by previous farrier (long story). Six weeks out of shoes now, and her quarters are letting down faster than the rest of her hooves.

Ah! Lightbulb moment! I can bevel the heels behind the heel?
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    10-24-2013, 06:27 PM
Oh only 6 weeks out of shoes - missed that bit. And yes I agree you can do too much trimming, esp on a horse making such changes. While the changes have to happen, they don't have to happen NOW. I'd probably avoid/minimise hard flat ground for now & aim to trim every 2-3 weeks.
    10-24-2013, 09:31 PM
Thanks, Loosie.
    10-25-2013, 02:36 PM
Ah ok I misunderstood too. Sorry for being gone, I got married and bought a house LOL :) Im still in and out finalizing and moving etc etc

Here is what I would do.

Map the foot and strongly address the toe and heel according to ELPO guidelines. You just keep spinning your wheels till breakover is where it should be. It took me several years to figure this out following the ramey method only. Toe flare must be addressed fully right away and the hoof protected as needed till the foot grows a bit.

Because it is so run forward, she appears to have flat and thinner soles and it could sore her without protection. I would address the toe and then cast this foot for a couple weeks as a preventative and for protection. That alone will make some serious changes in the angle and the way the foot is growing out. You will likely see false sole slough out and concavity really start. The frog tip will recede pretty quick once in hand. Casting will keep her comfy in the meantime and shouldnt be needed but a round or two as the fot gets its ducks in a row. I see a run forward frog and a good bit more toe that needs to go. One strong trim with the toe addressed back to where it should be and subsequent casting to help tight toe regrowth get started and protect the sole should get everything back in order and growing out properly IME. You HAVE to trim the frog tip however and really get the frog back where it belongs or mapping will not work. Everything is based off the true center of the coffin bone and thus the true widest part of the foot and it is about 1 inch back from the true apex of the frog where the bars typically should end when trimmed well. See how skinny the end inch or so of the frog is? How it narrows and becomes strip like? Evidence of toe flare and stretched forward frog.

Here is my general drawing and mapping. As always, its not exact at all and subject to what you actually see when you trim hoof in hand. But there is certainly alot of excess toe quite clearly. The red lin in front of the frog is approximation of tipo of coffin bone. The yellow line is approximate needed breakover if you cast over it. If you don't, you need to be about 1/4 in front of that and leave very good pillars so the horse doesnt get sore. It is well into the sole because the toe is quite flared. To trim to the bone, you must rocker that toe than then protect the sole somehow as it grows out. I like leaving the pillars and kinda squaring it off as ELPO calls for till the toe is grown out. Then I trim as a normal maintenance trim in ramey type fashion and fix any jamming that leaving pillars caused.

    10-25-2013, 05:23 PM
Trinity, I love markups!
Super Congrats on your Wedding!!! And a house??? Wow.

She's comfy as is right now. Gaiting with floppy ears. I just rode her and she was responsive.
I'm going to take your advice as a goal, and keep moving those toes back. I'm assuming it will take time to undo the past year and a half.

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